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  Cult Favourites

  by Pathofthorns in

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  soy un perdedor .

  i'm a loser baby, so why don't you kill me?

  soy un perdedor .

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  Zep

  My favorite 'Cult' songs are:

  Sweet soul sister

  plus a few others i cant remember????????
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  Jesus' Answer for a Sign

  by Friend in

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  the following was originally written as part of a response to criticisms against the belief that the synoptic gospel contains jesus' answer for a sign of his parousia that is realized today.

  some of the language is then necessarily a bit unusual because of the originally intended audience.

  lately this subject has come up in other circles so i chose to also post the comments to this forum.

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  Zep

  Waiting,

  One thing that got my attention was the way that the WTBTS takes liberties with partial quotes. Using "..." before and/or after an author - they can, and have, changed the author's thinking behind his words - sometimes completely!! Randy Watters shows actual examples of this in his writings - with photocopies of the whole quote. No "..."

  That happens to a large degree in respect to the 607 date.The WT takes a smorgasboard approach to evidence...They take whats useful and discard whats not unfortunately.

  I wouldn't take AF's Dumb sheep quote too personnally BTW.He's just blowing steam.

  Friend,

  I guess that is Carl's intention, to more extensively point out the disagreement and fallacy

  Yeah, he really does go into it, very indepth in fact.But its not just to point out the error of the WT, but to also propose a solution to jeremiahs 70 yr prophecy.A lot of bible critics actually quote Jeremiahs prophecy as proof that the Bible is bogus.Carl has done a good job of putting it all together in the end!

  I contend that the biblical answer for a sign attributed to Jesus could have intended global implications and that today we for the first time in human history are able to possibly witness a fulfillment, which fulfillment is due to real time communication.

  The first thing i pay attention to with Jesus sign is that he said there would 'wars and rumours of wars'.People have applied the sign so many times throughout history...it makes me rather skeptical when someone else comes up with another one.But, you never know.I really think that Jesus sign will be so marked and undeniable that there should be no need for people to debate the fact as to whether they are witnessing it or not.The 20th is/has been different from previous centuries but you still have to be careful reading into that. We do however have the ability to absolutely wipe ourselves out of existence here....that says a little to me, if anything does!

  Wars, famines & earth-quakes.We sure witness them a lot through the media(though it depends what channel your on.If your watching commerical TV your more likely to get Brad pitts wedding).But i dont know if we are witnessing these things anymore than past decades/centuries...and enough to want to make it a sign of the end, and thats the key to me, we have to be witnessing them more....ARE WE REALLY?.Why would Jesus give a Sign and yet make it so hard to discern...thats the problem, its so hard to discern....so maybe therefore it just isn't here yet.I connect the 'sign' to the Great tribulation that is supposed to follow with armaggeddon.I think we'll know it when Armageddon comes round!.
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  Most disgusting thing from Watchtower Corp.

  by spectromize in

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  one thing that really doesn't add up with the organization and their registrating to be a corp.(yes i have to put this in quote sorry it's called non-profit corp.) is the very fact that they play in the worldly system of things while they tell you to keep out of it.

  (while they see nothing wrong in themselves playing the stock market with other peoples money) think about it where did jesus say to register god's organization as a corporation?.

  furthermore if you were living in jesus' period of time who would be the president-vice-president-secratary- treasurer-shareholders...?.

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  Zep

  Nah, i haven't read the book Waiting.I just read their regular literature and that clues me in enough to know i'm spot on in calling them an Orwellian Nightmare!.
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  Everyone Please Read!

  by sysadmin in

  1. jw
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  please, everyone save a copy of this lengthy post as we anticipate removing it within 48 hours.

  we feel compelled to address the forum as a whole to make you aware of a new web surveillance law passed recently here in the uk.

  here is the web link: .

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  Zep

  I aint no Atheist BTW !
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  Jesus' Answer for a Sign

  by Friend in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the following was originally written as part of a response to criticisms against the belief that the synoptic gospel contains jesus' answer for a sign of his parousia that is realized today.

  some of the language is then necessarily a bit unusual because of the originally intended audience.

  lately this subject has come up in other circles so i chose to also post the comments to this forum.

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  Zep

  GTR destroys Dub chronology, utterly.I just finished it.Carl has some rather interesting things to say about the bible, it really is a good read if you dont get bogged down in the historical evidence part of the book.I find it kind of funny that Dubs would be so paranoid of this book and label it apostate..since its really not anti-christian or anything at all.I mean, Its not a negative Atheistic gripe or anything.

  Sign of the last, i haven't read but judging from the stuff AF has done over at Osarsif...the jist of the book is that things haven't changed markedly in world events post-1914 compared to previous centuries.I think personnally, thats a given.Though someone could drop a bomb any second and that'd soon change.
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  Most disgusting thing from Watchtower Corp.

  by spectromize in

  1. jw
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  one thing that really doesn't add up with the organization and their registrating to be a corp.(yes i have to put this in quote sorry it's called non-profit corp.) is the very fact that they play in the worldly system of things while they tell you to keep out of it.

  (while they see nothing wrong in themselves playing the stock market with other peoples money) think about it where did jesus say to register god's organization as a corporation?.

  furthermore if you were living in jesus' period of time who would be the president-vice-president-secratary- treasurer-shareholders...?.

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  Zep

  The WT is an Orwellian Nightmare.
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  Jesus' Answer for a Sign

  by Friend in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the following was originally written as part of a response to criticisms against the belief that the synoptic gospel contains jesus' answer for a sign of his parousia that is realized today.

  some of the language is then necessarily a bit unusual because of the originally intended audience.

  lately this subject has come up in other circles so i chose to also post the comments to this forum.

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  Zep

  Yep Friend, thats about it!

  Have you read COJ's 'sign of the last days' at all BTW?, what did you think of it?.I was going to order it a few days ago but i just haven't got the stomach for reading anymore Anti-dub stuff.I was interested intially in Coj's views on MAT 24 etc...since he is a Christian and quite smart, i thought he might have some really good ideas to throw around!.
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  100 foreskins for your daughter

  by Zep in

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  thought dating and marriage was tough in the year 2000...well just check out what david had to go through.. david wants to marry michal, sauls daughter.so whats he have to do?.

  samuel 18:25-28. at that saul said: "this is what you men will say to david, "the king has delight, not in marriage money, but in a hundred foreskins of the philistines".

  so david rose and struck down among the philistines two hundred men, and came bringing their foreskins and giving them in full number to the king to form a marriage alliance with the king.. lol

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  Zep

  Nice bible story huh!
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  100 foreskins for your daughter

  by Zep in

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  2. relationships

  thought dating and marriage was tough in the year 2000...well just check out what david had to go through.. david wants to marry michal, sauls daughter.so whats he have to do?.

  samuel 18:25-28. at that saul said: "this is what you men will say to david, "the king has delight, not in marriage money, but in a hundred foreskins of the philistines".

  so david rose and struck down among the philistines two hundred men, and came bringing their foreskins and giving them in full number to the king to form a marriage alliance with the king.. lol

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  Zep

  Thought dating and marriage was tough in the year 2000...well just check out what david had to go through.

  David wants to marry Michal, Sauls daughter.So whats he have to do?

  Samuel 18:25-28

  At that Saul said: "This is what you men will say to David, "the king has delight, not in marriage money, but in a hundred foreskins of the Philistines"

  So David rose and struck down among the Philistines two hundred men, and came bringing their foreskins and giving them in full number to the king to form a marriage alliance with the king.

  LOL
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  Moment of Truth/ Cognitive Dissonance

  by Zep in

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  2. friends

  so how long have all you guyz here been apostates anyway, just curious?.i mean, it must be kind of cool to reflect and think...."well, heck, i'm a damned freaking apostate" or altleast a closet apostate, of which most of you are, i think?, right?.yeah, such a cool label is "apostate" huh!.but i'm interested, just how did all here personnally come to realise 'the truth' aint really that?, what set you on that track and made you look outside the bounds of wt literature into so-called apostate areas.. and what finally convinced you that its all just a heap of nonsense?

  and forced you to shockingly conclude you had been living a lie?.what did it do to you at that moment, i mean, how did you deal with this blatant self admission that the wt was wrong?

  did it crack you up or what...or did you just laugh it off or something?..

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  Path,

  Then I got the internet. So I type in JW's and chance upon H20 (lol).

  Isn't that always the way.I stumbled into that joint just for a joke LOL...and then i just got into it all.BTW, my situation is weird WEIRD weird.As you stated, i aint no-Dub but...I know more about them than any other religion...even the one i was born into, of which i know next to nothing about.I read from 15-20/21 (thereabouts) heaps, practically all the WT and Awake mags.And i did the bible study and a few meetings here and there...So i basically know all the stuff and essentially took on their belief system.I really knew a lot in the end!

  You know 'Cults' work on a very emotional level...people say it takes years to instill the JW mindset into yah, and thats probably true...but i also think converting someone is a very sort of hit and miss kind of thing.I think, if you give someone the right promises and make it look all great and truthful, and the persons mind is geared right at that time...you can convert them in an instant.I think thats what happened to me, i read some magazines....'Bam' i read the 1914 crap and the rest of the prophecies and then add to that the ressurection promise and you can get sucked in, in an instant.I have a friend, hes much older than i was ...but its happened the same way to him i feel.So, once you get hooked, your guard is down, you can be given any info, however dumb,,,,because you trust them now.I read WT magazines like it was very trustworthy source in the end.I'd read an article and not even bother checking the references..."Oh, the 70year prophecy is perfect, dont bother reading Jeremiah to check it out...if they say the 70yr period ended in 537 then thats when it ended, how could anyone be wrong about that".So after that intial moment where they grab your trust and then feed any info....and you are just repeating over and over in your mind all the JW beliefs which serves to strengthen that intial trust... your belief just becomes Habit.You read WT makes like buddhists recite a mantra, everything just becomes re-inforced and stronger everytime you repeat it, like a robot.Its a joke.Buts thats what WT mags do.
  So i go to few meetings and breeze through a study and then drop the issue completely by 20.By then i was thinking, well its the TRUTH (yep i thought they had the TRUTH)...but, i'll just live a worldy life and come back and anaylse everthing to death later.Maybe, i had a mindest of JW youth who live a double life.They say they know its the truth but act contrary to that belief... i mean, hows that possible?... yeah but it happens.I essentially established a belief but just didn't live by it.But it still underpinned my belief in God.So after many years, with all that dub stuff eventually pushed to the back of my mind...I go into h20, just to see what dubs are up to....like i said, it was a joke.Then i decide to anaylse to a degree the Dub beliefs that i had taken on, expecting (really) that i'd find it was the truth, and in doing so i bring it all back to the fore in my mind again, all the dub beliefs.But What did it for me, convinced me otherwise that the weren't the truth was reading the false dates list over at Osarsif done by AF...Before that, i read a lot of other stuff on 1914 but it didn't have the impact that the false dates did.I actually had to read a fair bit to knock the Dub beliefs to pieces, owing to my earlier involvment.So 'Bam', after i read AF's stuff, just like that, they cant be true anymore....then i start denying God exists and read all sorts of Atheistic stuff till i dont believe at all...it actually drove me round the bend a little and made me feel a little sick...the idea of no God is a big thought.I dont know, i dont really care now...i just use sarcasm to laugh it off ...this God stuff is still sort of hanging in the air though.I actually just got a book from the library called "to hell with God"(what a title eh!)...yeah, so the spiritual search continues, only in a less vigorous manner ...I sure haven't got the problems you guys have, since you still have ties with the Borg.So now... i'm just hanging on a Dub board for some reason LOL?????!!!!!.
  I appreciate you original post BTW, i didn't really read it through till last night since i got the vibe that i had come in for some heat... I thought, "oh yeah i shouldn't have posted that, Zep's in trouble...again" LOL."I'm gunna get bagged big time here" LOL.But your post was interesting!.I like reading the human dimension to things, i read a lot about the impact of DFing over at h20 before i launched into a study of dub doctrine.The DF articles were very surprising to me at first...i really learnt very little about Dfing and DAing & shunning during my time at KH and reading the WT....it was a background issue, one of those hidden things, hidden from newbies and you dont really understand it until your in too deep and it personnally affects you in some way! yeah!!!!!interesting!