Posts by Zep

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Australian Nazi regime?

by Norm in

jw
friends

what kind of complete bastard regime do they have in australia?.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_1511000/1511903.stm.

norm

Zep

Prisca

Another fact is that the closest country to this ship is Indonesia. But the queue-jumpers don't want to go there, they want to pick and chose where they decide to seek asylum! If they were true refugees, wouldn't they be grateful for whatever country accepted them?

Sorry to say...but the FACT is you don't seem to be reading very well Prisca. How can they be queue-jumpers when there IS NO QUEUE. Do you think they are all lining up in a queue at the Pakistani border waiting to get in..OF COURSE NOT. Then why do you think they should for Australia. Its very SIMPLE.

Pakistan has 2 million Refugees...THATS 2 MILLION. To us WHAT?
Iran has 1.5 MILLION, thats 1.5 MILLION. To us what...how many are here being processed huh? How many on that boat huh!

Another simple FACT is, unlike JanG's assertion that they could live well in these Iranian and Paki camps...the OPPPOSITE is the case. Conditions are, to put it midly, not very good at all.

Another little tidbit is that Pakistan doesn't want anymore refugees and in FACT wants those already there to return to Afghanistan.

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Australian Nazi regime?

by Norm in

jw
friends

what kind of complete bastard regime do they have in australia?.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_1511000/1511903.stm.

norm

Zep

If they had stayed put in Pakistan, they could have lived well on that money until our government had processed their applications and brought them here legally.

So Pakistan should shoulder the burden huh! All of it!
We should ship them back there.
You know where Pakistan wants them to go. You know where Pakistan has said they want to ship them?. Back to Afghanistan JanG.

Geezzz, I hope they fled to Pakistan 'Legally' Prisca!

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Australian Nazi regime?

by Norm in

jw
friends

what kind of complete bastard regime do they have in australia?.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_1511000/1511903.stm.

norm

Zep

You have absolutely no knowledge of Australian history or politics, nor understanding of the points that JanG, Stephanus or myself have brought out. Otherwise you would understand how East Timor and Australia's relationship with Indonesia bears into this discussion.

East Timor is irrelevant to the issue at hand in the same way our treatment of Aborigines back in the 1800's is irrelevant. Kent is right!

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Australian Nazi regime?

by Norm in

jw
friends

what kind of complete bastard regime do they have in australia?.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_1511000/1511903.stm.

norm

Zep

What about the refugees who are migrating the legal way? Why should they be pushed to the side?

What legal way????? Refugees typically flee their country of origin to another country. Whats so legal about that? The question is whether they have a legitimate claim to flee.

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Australian Nazi regime?

by Norm in

jw
friends

what kind of complete bastard regime do they have in australia?.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_1511000/1511903.stm.

norm

Zep

There are also better ways of effecting change than sitting on the sidelines calling all Australians Nazis

It wasn't meant literally. I took it for what i'm sure it is: A bit of poetic licence used to emphasize a point. Surely you can see past the hard words to the issue at hand. There is no point getting cut about it.

Writing letters to the editors of the various Australian dailies would be more effectual. I don't know what we as individuals are expected to do, other than sit here and take our medicine. I could go and see my local M.P (if I could get past his minders) but 1. he's a member of the opposition and 2. he's a total prat who's never done Sweet FA for me and my family when we've asked for help!

welllll...every river starts with just a trickle Steph.

Personnally, i find writing & reading on boards like this one very helpful. It clarifies my views and forces me to research more. Its good mental exercise this place....and entertainment too.

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Australian Nazi regime?

by Norm in

jw
friends

what kind of complete bastard regime do they have in australia?.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_1511000/1511903.stm.

norm

Zep

Prisca

And the government has very good reason to believe that is the case with these people on the Tampa. They are not refugees, they are illegal queue jumpers.

All i can say to that Prisca is...Prove it. How can you possibly know this. How can you know their individual cases just like that. You know there is a pregnant woman on board...seems like a pretty desperate thing for a supposed well do to woman with lots of moolah to do. If they are coming from Afghanistan, then more than likely they can claim asylum, if you know whats going on Afghanistan...you know, THE TALIBAN. I bet you if it wasn't the Taliban running things in Afghan, but instead the WT, who had decided created heaven on earth in their own little asian plot, most ozzies here would say "sure let them in"
What about if they are Iraqi. We are responible for the sanctions imposed on that Nation. They barely have any basic medical supplies over there. Hospitals use Asprin cause they cant get morphine...you know. How many kids are dieing over there because of our sanctions. So when they flee and come here, we are supposed to tell them to piss off. Thats pretty heartless.

We asked the Tampa to help us, to pick up the boat people.

He did it. Good on him.

Then he needs our help, we tell him to piss off. Well give yourself a medal John Howard.

BTW, those $$$ you think they have most likely took every last goat they owned + their shirt off their back to get.

So what happens now. What if Indonesia doesn't take them? Do we tell the Tampa to take them to Norway. Sheesh! What happens next time we spot a bunch of boat people off our shores, do we just assume they are queue jumpers and tell them to turn round?.

Stephanus

Oh, and if you want to discuss this in the correct forum (this one is about JWs, I believe

C'mon Steph. Do you want this place to be h20. Anything slightly off topic and your deleted. I see heaps of non dub topics posted here...In fact, if i remember correct, there was a huge thread on McVeigh not long back.

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Australian Nazi regime?

by Norm in

jw
friends

what kind of complete bastard regime do they have in australia?.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_1511000/1511903.stm.

norm

Zep

Facts are, that this isn't the first group of illegal boatpeople trying to get into Australia.

So when does a Refugee or Asylum seeker become 'legal' Prisca. When they walk down the only road in Afghanistan and apply at the local Embassy.
Refugees flee trouble...they dont stick around and fill out papers.

Recent vox-polls show that up to 90% of Australians do not want these guys to enter Australia.

What if everyone wanted to jump off a bridge. Would that make it smart..or right

While Australians have no problem with helping out genuine refugees, who enter the country by legal means, there is no reason why Australia should be expected to continue to accept illegal refugees who think they have the right to pay people smugglers $$$ and jump the immigration queues.

You cant jump a queue that doesn't exist...Refugees are refugees, they flee trouble, thats it. Their may be some that arn't genuine in this load of people. But what about the ones that are. Do they go back to Afghanistan...or Iraq? How do you know what you have on that boat if you dont assess them! If they are from Afghanistan, they are most likey going to be approved.

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Australian Nazi regime?

by Norm in

jw
friends

what kind of complete bastard regime do they have in australia?.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_1511000/1511903.stm.

norm

Zep

As far as I can see, the current Australian regime is really popular in the polls for their "stand" against the refugees.

Yep...your right it seems. Talk back radio here is scary here. Ignorance is bliss with a lot of people. People like to get angry at someone or something. With Dubs its 'this system of things', with other people its immigrants or whatever happens to be in the news at the time.
I haven't been over there for awhile, but on the the ninemsn.com.au discussion board under 'news', all it was a few weeks back was: 'Get rid of illegals'...'feed them to sharks' etc. It was pretty pathetic. And these people just use the same arguments too (if you can call them that)...say the same emotive things over and over.

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Australian Nazi regime?

by Norm in

jw
friends

what kind of complete bastard regime do they have in australia?.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_1511000/1511903.stm.

norm

Zep

Norm,

The Australian government must really be some real low-life.

They're Politicians

I understand that they are very popular with the Australian population too,

I dont think so

...obviously those people are without shame. Real good Christians eh?

Well, we do have our wacko's, like all countries.

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Australian Nazi regime?

by Norm in

jw
friends

what kind of complete bastard regime do they have in australia?.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_1511000/1511903.stm.

norm

Zep

I see the current intransigence of our government as sending a message to others.
What, the smugglers.
Come off it Zep, use your imagination!

Well...your probably right Ozzie mate. My point was however that these refugees have an idealistic view of Australia. They have no idea that they will be caught, spent a few years in a jail like situation and then be set back. They think they are coming to the good life. Do you think the smugglers tell them their going to get caught. No way...they take their money, say we'll get you in undetected and you'll live happily ever after.

Who is going to get the message. They arn't getting the message in the first place. The OZ government spents plenty in advertising over in indonesia (a popular jumping off point) about the perils, but they still come. The idea that they could be sending a message by doing this is strange...The message will fall on deaf ears. We will still be taking them in years to come...unless we decide to sink their boats when they hit our territorial waters.