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  Australian Nazi regime?

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  what kind of complete bastard regime do they have in australia?.

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_1511000/1511903.stm.

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  Jang:

  Australia is paying ALL the costs of taking them there, supporting and feeding them and supplying Temp accomodation.

  Yes, your right Jan. They are moving them all the way to Nauru...(well they were until the injunction). And they are paying for everything. Could have just put them on Christmas Island. Christmas Island has said it can take another 500,,,albeit with difficulty. Why not move them to Darwin, it seems closer, and pay for everything there. Nauru is way over in the pacific

  Well....apparently it might have something to do with the fact the refugees are being process by the UNHCR in Nauru, which has a lower approval rate for refugees than in OZ (maybe?). Australia does want to bring itself in line with UNHCR, which will mean it will be harder to get to get refugee approval. I dont know why they haven't done it already, then they could just move them to Australia and pay for everything here....yeah but good ol'Johnnie would rather stuff around with his SAS commandos and be an asshole to a ship that just needed our help.

  He could have phoned NZ days ago too, and sorted all this stuff out, like Bob Brown has said. But he would just rather be an idiot and sent in the troops...This is a circus... and Howard is inept.
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  Australian Nazi regime?

  by Norm in

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  what kind of complete bastard regime do they have in australia?.

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_1511000/1511903.stm.

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  The government asked the Tampa to take them BACK to Indonesia ... the Tampa decided that Christmas Island was closer - regardless of their ability to take them on.

  He only went to Christmas Island because he felt his crew was threatened by the refugees. He gets there and we send the SAS in...for gods sake.

  Now John Howard is left looking like a dimwit because he's had to make a backdown from his tough stance. The refugees are off to NZ and Nauru. Why couldn't this have been done ages ago?

  heres a little tidbit:

  Margaret Piper from the Refugee Council of Australia has
  told Sky News the tiny South Pacific nation of Nauru has
  put Australia to shame.

  "I sincerely hope not in the direction of Nauru, it is a very
  small place with a very limited capacity but it does put us
  to shame that a country with as limited resources is
  prepared to be far more generous than we have been," she
  said. " - ABC
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  Australian Nazi regime?

  by Norm in

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  what kind of complete bastard regime do they have in australia?.

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_1511000/1511903.stm.

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  Jang

  What do we do with them all ...... of should the international community take a little responsibility and take some of them too.

  The International community does take responsibility. Do you think we are the only ones with refugees coming to our country? They go to Europe and all over Jan.
  Pakistan has 2 million Afghani refugees...Iran has 1.5Million. We have a boat load of 460 on our doorstep. Heeellloooooo!

  Your ignorant!
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  Australian Nazi regime?

  by Norm in

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  what kind of complete bastard regime do they have in australia?.

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_1511000/1511903.stm.

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  But, given the facts, that Australia seems to be a fair bit behind the US or Europe in terms of attitude towards race,

  Disagree here. I definitely don't think we are behind Britian or the US, thats too much of a big call for me. This Tampa incident has been an eye-opener though. Pauline Hanson is alive and well downunder it appears...
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  Australian Nazi regime?

  by Norm in

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  what kind of complete bastard regime do they have in australia?.

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_1511000/1511903.stm.

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  Another fact is that the closest country to this ship is Indonesia

  Geezz, i thought they were closer to Christmas Island.

  But the queue-jumpers don't want to go there, they want to pick and chose where they decide to seek asylum

  Wouldn't you!,,,have a heart. Yeah but, there is nothing more obscene that a bunch of rich refugees. So rich in fact, they we willing to risk life and limb on an overcrowded crappy boat...and would have drowned if it hadn't been for the Tampa. Maybe they should have stayed put with all their money in Afghanistan and built a condo or something.

  refugees, wouldn't they be grateful for whatever country accepted them?

  'Grateful' hmmmmm.....So what are those conditions like in Pakistan again?????? Ungrateful Bastards!
  'Accepted' hmmmm....Incase you aint noticed BTW. Indonesia aint accepted them either. So what should we do with them huh...If we dont take them, where do they go?
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  Australian Nazi regime?

  by Norm in

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  what kind of complete bastard regime do they have in australia?.

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_1511000/1511903.stm.

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  Prisca

  Another fact is that the closest country to this ship is Indonesia. But the queue-jumpers don't want to go there, they want to pick and chose where they decide to seek asylum! If they were true refugees, wouldn't they be grateful for whatever country accepted them?

  Sorry to say...but the FACT is you don't seem to be reading very well Prisca. How can they be queue-jumpers when there IS NO QUEUE. Do you think they are all lining up in a queue at the Pakistani border waiting to get in..OF COURSE NOT. Then why do you think they should for Australia. Its very SIMPLE.
  
  Pakistan has 2 million Refugees...THATS 2 MILLION. To us WHAT?
  Iran has 1.5 MILLION, thats 1.5 MILLION. To us what...how many are here being processed huh? How many on that boat huh!

  Another simple FACT is, unlike JanG's assertion that they could live well in these Iranian and Paki camps...the OPPPOSITE is the case. Conditions are, to put it midly, not very good at all.

  Another little tidbit is that Pakistan doesn't want anymore refugees and in FACT wants those already there to return to Afghanistan.
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  Australian Nazi regime?

  by Norm in

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  what kind of complete bastard regime do they have in australia?.

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_1511000/1511903.stm.

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  If they had stayed put in Pakistan, they could have lived well on that money until our government had processed their applications and brought them here legally.

  So Pakistan should shoulder the burden huh! All of it!
  We should ship them back there.
  You know where Pakistan wants them to go. You know where Pakistan has said they want to ship them?. Back to Afghanistan JanG.

  Geezzz, I hope they fled to Pakistan 'Legally' Prisca!
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  Australian Nazi regime?

  by Norm in

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  what kind of complete bastard regime do they have in australia?.

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_1511000/1511903.stm.

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  You have absolutely no knowledge of Australian history or politics, nor understanding of the points that JanG, Stephanus or myself have brought out. Otherwise you would understand how East Timor and Australia's relationship with Indonesia bears into this discussion.

  East Timor is irrelevant to the issue at hand in the same way our treatment of Aborigines back in the 1800's is irrelevant. Kent is right!
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  Australian Nazi regime?

  by Norm in

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  what kind of complete bastard regime do they have in australia?.

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_1511000/1511903.stm.

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  What about the refugees who are migrating the legal way? Why should they be pushed to the side?

  What legal way????? Refugees typically flee their country of origin to another country. Whats so legal about that? The question is whether they have a legitimate claim to flee.
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  Australian Nazi regime?

  by Norm in

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  what kind of complete bastard regime do they have in australia?.

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_1511000/1511903.stm.

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  There are also better ways of effecting change than sitting on the sidelines calling all Australians Nazis

  It wasn't meant literally. I took it for what i'm sure it is: A bit of poetic licence used to emphasize a point. Surely you can see past the hard words to the issue at hand. There is no point getting cut about it.

  Writing letters to the editors of the various Australian dailies would be more effectual. I don't know what we as individuals are expected to do, other than sit here and take our medicine. I could go and see my local M.P (if I could get past his minders) but 1. he's a member of the opposition and 2. he's a total prat who's never done Sweet FA for me and my family when we've asked for help!

  welllll...every river starts with just a trickle Steph.

  Personnally, i find writing & reading on boards like this one very helpful. It clarifies my views and forces me to research more. Its good mental exercise this place....and entertainment too.