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  SUGGESTED LETTER CAMPAIGN TO GET THE UN TO RELEASE THE WTS FILE

  by hawkaw in

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  the pertinent information dealt with confirmation that a ngo by the name of the watchtower bible and tract society of new york , inc. (watchtower) held an ?associated ngo?

  this may not seem as an important issue to the united nations.

  1) a photocopy of the original 1991 letter from the watchtower to the dpi requesting an application form for ?associate ngo?

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  count me in on this campain!
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  SUGGESTED LETTER CAMPAIGN TO GET THE UN TO RELEASE THE WTS FILE

  by hawkaw in

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  2. friends

  the pertinent information dealt with confirmation that a ngo by the name of the watchtower bible and tract society of new york , inc. (watchtower) held an ?associated ngo?

  this may not seem as an important issue to the united nations.

  1) a photocopy of the original 1991 letter from the watchtower to the dpi requesting an application form for ?associate ngo?

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  i'm in on this one.
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  Amazing is back ... the Wheels of Justice have turned

  by Amazing1914 in

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  i am back from underground ... i have more to tell you than you can imagine ...

  i cannot use my old screen handle for now, but we are working on that, and it will be restored as soon as simon and i can get it done.

  so, simon has allowed me to create a new screen name for the time being.

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  Favorite Online Games?

  by Scully in

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  do you have any favorite games?.

  my current favorite is adventure elf and also a few others from www.kewlbox.com

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  Unreal Tournament 2004, ut2k3, and ut (1999)

  i'm a UT junkie
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  You guys aren't kidding, are you?

  by Ghosthunter in

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  regarding the "memorial time visits".. here it is, sunday morning.

  i haven't taken a shower, my hair's up in a pony-tail and i'm cleaning the house.

  my dogs start going wild and i look out the window to see a four-door car pull up in my driveway.

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  i'll be watching for them. but in over 2 years, i've not received any visits, emails, or phone calls. nor have i run accross any when i got to the grocery store, and i expect to all the time. i have seen from a distance a few, but i expected to run right into them at some point. seen some in the hood here, but never at my door.

  i'm looking forward to the confrontation
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  The UN Posts Their Letter!

  by jgnat in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  did our letter-writing campaign work?

  http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/watchtower.pdf.

  here are some lovely instructions drafted by syn, and hosted by valis, on how to navigate to the site yourself.. http://www.sassquatch.com/syn/un_ngo_letter/.

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  first time i have ever seen names named. Ciro Aulicino. nice.

  about time too.

  still aint seen the original of who signed them up. thats the name i really want bad.
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  post your 'postate central pictures here

  by zev in

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  here's our set up, a compaq, and an emachine, dsl, router (wireless/wired) i also have a wireless laptop, and gwen's dad wirelessly hooked up (his is upstairs).. .

  this is where we spend our time helping people get educated about the wtbts.

  how about yours, eh?.

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  thats an htx 202.

  can's say my call sign here, but i'm a real live ham radio looney bin.

  2m, 440 and 10m

  73's

  kd1 something something.
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  post your 'postate central pictures here

  by zev in

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  here's our set up, a compaq, and an emachine, dsl, router (wireless/wired) i also have a wireless laptop, and gwen's dad wirelessly hooked up (his is upstairs).. .

  this is where we spend our time helping people get educated about the wtbts.

  how about yours, eh?.

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  here's our set up, a compaq, and an emachine, dsl, router (wireless/wired) i also have a wireless laptop, and Gwen's dad wirelessly hooked up (his is upstairs).

  this is where we spend our time helping people get educated about the wtbts.

  how about yours, eh?

  i showed you mine, now show me your's

  g'day from the great non--white northeast state of coruption
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  Visit From Elders

  by laurelin in

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  it's been awhile since i've been on here.

  due to death in the family, chicken pox in children and other nasty things.. i posted here awhile ago about things i had found the unsettled me.

  i was due to have a visit from two elders and a lot of you gave me lots of help and encouragement.. well, the two elders visited and i have to admit that it was nothing like i expected.. they sat down, and told me straight away that there was nothing i could say or ask that would hurt me.

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  laurelin said:

  I did some research on the CDROM and I found a few quotes where they actually admitted they held responsibilty for 1975 so it's not like they deny culparability. (yb80 pg31) They don't seem to deny anything ( having said that a lot of stuff is just not mentioned, such as the star of Alcyone, Russells pyramid etc).

  here's the sited quote: (yb80 pg31)

  Many were the appreciative comments heard on the symposium dealing with "Soundness of Mind in a Mixed-up World." These talks underscored the value of cultivating a realistic view of life; of forming trusted relations with Jehovah God and our brothers; of strengthening our Bible-based hope and the will to live, as well as of allowing for variety and recreation in one?s life. A fine point made in the talk "Choosing the Best Way of Life" was that Jehovah God will save us from stumbling?even as he did David in the case of Nabal?s insolence?but we must do our part. The brothers also appreciated the candor of this same talk, which acknowledged the Society?s responsibility for some of the disappointment a number felt regarding 1975.

  i went back to find out what was said in those "talks", as most talks in conventions are based on wt articles, and future wt articles are based on some of the convention talks.

  here is what i found:

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  w80 3/15 pp. 17-18 Choosing the Best Way of Life ***

  Hold

  to Your Choice!

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  If we remain faithful, God will not let us make ruinous mistakes. But sometimes he permits us to be in error so that we may see our need to look always to him and his Word. This strengthens our relationship with him and our endurance while waiting. We learn from our mistakes that it is necessary to be more careful in the future. The desire for the new system of things to take complete charge of the earth has always been very strong in Christians down through the centuries. And because of their own short life-span, they doubtless longed for it to come in their particular lifetime. Those who have tried to keep God?s judgment time "close in mind" have, on more than one occasion throughout history, become overly eager for that day?s arrival, in their own minds trying to rush the arrival of the desired events. (2 Pet. 3:12) In the first century, for example, the apostle Paul found it necessary to write to Christians in Thessalonica in this fashion, as we read at 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3: "However, brothers, respecting the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we request of you not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here. Let no one seduce you in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction."

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  In modern times such eagerness, commendable in itself, has led to attempts at setting dates for the desired liberation from the suffering and troubles that are the lot of persons throughout the earth. With the appearance of the book Life Everlasting?in Freedom of the Sons of God, and its comments as to how appropriate it would be for the millennial reign of Christ to parallel the seventh millennium of man?s existence, considerable expectation was aroused regarding the year 1975. There were statements made then, and thereafter, stressing that this was only a possibility. Unfortunately, however, along with such cautionary information, there were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year was more of a probability than a mere possibility. It is to be regretted that these latter statements apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of the expectation already initiated.

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  In its issue of July 15, 1976, The Watchtower, commenting on the inadvisability of setting our sights on a certain date, stated: "If anyone has been disappointed through not following this line of thought, he should now concentrate on adjusting his viewpoint, seeing that it was not the word of God that failed or deceived him and brought disappointment, but that his own understanding was based on wrong premises." In saying "anyone," The Watchtower included all disappointed ones of Jehovah?s Witnesses, hence including persons having to do with the publication of the information that contributed to the buildup of hopes centered on that date.

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  Nevertheless, there is no reason for us to be shaken in faith in God?s promises. Rather, as a consequence, we are all moved to make a closer examination of the Scriptures regarding this matter of a day of judgment. In doing so, we find that the important thing is not the date. What is important is our keeping ever in mind that there is such a day?and it is getting closer and it will require an accounting on the part of all of us. Peter said that Christians should rightly be "awaiting and keeping close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah." (2 Pet. 3:12) It is not a certain date ahead; it is day-to-day living on the part of the Christian that is important. He must not live a single day without having in mind that he is under Jehovah?s loving care and direction and must submit himself thereto, keeping also in mind that he must account for his acts.

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  Jesus gave the reason why we should maintain such a viewpoint, saying: "For the Son of man is destined to come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he will recompense each one according to his behavior." (Matt. 16:27) The apostle Paul also pointed out: "We shall all stand before the judgment seat of God . . . So, then, each of us will render an account for himself to God." (Rom. 14:10-12) And, "we must all be made manifest before the judgment seat of the Christ, that each one may get his award for the things done through the body, according to the things he has practiced, whether it is good or vile." (2 Cor. 5:10) How long do we have before making such an accounting? Jesus said: "He that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved." (Matt. 24:13) When is "the end"? That end can come either at the end of this system of things or at the individual?s own death before then. How long, then, does each one of us have? No one can calculate the day when he will die. Likewise, Jesus said to his apostles about the time for establishing God?s kingdom: "It does not belong to you to get knowledge of the times or seasons which the Father has placed in his own jurisdiction." (Acts 1:7) It is impossible for us to figure out the world?s end in advance.

  i don't want to be critical, BUT, i have to be.

  this statement is an insult to everyones intelligence:

  "If anyone has been disappointed through not following this line of thought, he should now concentrate on adjusting his viewpoint, seeing that it was not the word of God that failed or deceived him and brought disappointment, but that his own understanding was based on wrong premises." In saying "anyone," The Watchtower included all disappointed ones of Jehovah?s Witnesses, hence including persons having to do with the publication of the information that contributed to the buildup of hopes centered on that date."

  The wtbts is THE organization that is and claims to be providing "food" at the proper time.IF this were REAL FOOD, and some people got sick, and ill from contaminated food that was provided by the society, would it be right to BLAME those delivering the food, rather than accepting blame at the source, where the contamination took place in the first place, before it was even loaded on trucks?

  i'm sorry that i have to be this blunt. this is in no way an apology from the wtbts, or in any way accepting blame IMHO.

  all it does is shift the focus from the REAL culprits, to people who work for free for them.
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  the best of both worlds

  by zev in

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  aol running on xp-pro, running inside a virtual machine, vmware 4.0.5, which is running on my emachine t2385 linux box mandrake 9.2 and gnome desktop 2.4. .

  and a complete nerd behind the keyboard/mouse.. .

  cuz i can

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  aol running on xp-pro, running inside a virtual machine, vmware 4.0.5, which is running on my emachine t2385 linux box Mandrake 9.2 and gnome desktop 2.4.

  and a complete nerd behind the keyboard/mouse.

  why?

  cuz i can