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  How Do You Feel About Jehovah's Witnesses???

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  nearly everyone that posts here says mostly negative things about the witnesses.

  a few will speak of certain jw's that were helpful to them while they were going through difficulties.

  in the situation that you find yourself in now, do you feel that you hate jw's?

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  zev

  with the exception of a "few" of them, i mostly had few problems with the jw's as a "whole".

  there were exceptions. of those exceptions, those "few" had no doubt where they stood with me.

  i had no trouble thrashing them verbally in the middle of a meeting or afterwards, i held back little where it concerned myself or

  family, or even the few instances of wrong that i saw, these were instances that the "wordly authorities" themselves would balk at the "theocratic warefare" approach taken by the "men" in control and authority, the do as i say, not as i do attitude. i have no tollerance for that one bit.

  i feel bad for them now, and i look for the chance to "save" even one of them if they try to come to my door now. though they have been around twice that i know of in the last year, upstairs visiting Gwen's parents, they don't know that a couple 'postates live just one level down, just waiting for a "return visit" .

  there are a few i would still like to have it out with on a personal level.

  of those men that run that "snare and racket" business i have no feelings at all for them. i feel they know exactly what they are doing, and deserve what they will get for doing so. though, not by my hand.

  may the flea's of a 1000 camels infest their armpits.
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  How long did it take you to leave the org?

  by sandy in

  1. social
  2. humour

  i was wondering how long it took for all of you to leave the org.

  how active were you and for how long while knowing the "truth" was not the truth.

  i ran into an old friend last week.

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  zev

  it took me one year, once i finally admitted to myself that it wasn't me, and there was something wrong. but not knowing where to start or turn, and worried that i might get found out, i was a little slow on the draw.
  

  i was in for 40 years. it took a year of intensive thought and reading, studying the "facts" then i left. 3 months later, i dissassociated.

  and i don't look back. i'm moving onward and upward.

  Best bridge I ever burned

  Huxley

  yeah. like that.

  i went from 300+ "friends" to one in the stroke of a pen.

  i'd say thats burning bridges.
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  The Three Freds and Change, a story

  by jst2laws in

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  2. scandals

  an old thread of metatron's was brought up yesterday discussing an incident at bethel that occurred in august of 1971. the story has become a legend to some including, as legends often do, a little myth.

  this story illustrated metatrons point that the wt does not change because it loves truth, but changes when it is forced to.. .

  a family with a ba (bad attitude).

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  zev

  i enjoyed reading that and the experience you shared with us jst2laws.

  i once wanted and dreamed of going to bethel. if i had it would have been right in the 1980 time frame and i would possibly have seen so much of the goings on.

  something held me back, kept me from pushing forwards. (or is it backwards? )

  all the better for me in the end though

  i'm SO GLAD to be out of that whole mess.
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  Okay. Great Uncle Jehovah. Chapter 2.

  by Duncan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  why do i need to sign these things?

  i approached the main gates and looked through.

  i looked up to see jesus approaching me, smiling all over his face.

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  zev

  that was cool.
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  Spotted Owl, It's What's For Dinner.......

  by bikerchic in

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  2. humour

  so what's your silly state saying?.

  silly state mottos.

  alabama: yes, we have electricity.

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  zev

  Rhode Island: We're Not REALLY An Island

  Massachusetts: Our Taxes Are Lower Than Sweden's (For Most Tax Brackets)

  i have lived in both Mass and now RI.

  i still work in Mass.

  we call it Taxachusetts. believe me, once you live there, you know why we call it that.

  my favorite fo RI is: The smallest MOST CORrUPT state in the union.
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  For those interested...

  by Valis in

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  a mouse whispered in my ear today that the may km was around... sincerely,.

  district overbeer of the "faithless and indiscrete slave" class

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  zev

  valis,

  please contact me

  thanks!
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  who got booted on american idol 2night?

  by zev in

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  i fell asleep and missed it.. .

  tell me please?!.

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  zev

  thank you. i kinda figured she was next.

  her or trenice.

  rubens gonna win it i think.
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  who got booted on american idol 2night?

  by zev in

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  i fell asleep and missed it.. .

  tell me please?!.

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  zev

  i fell asleep and missed it.

  tell me please?!
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  food for thought.

  by zev in

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  the labyrinthine world of doublethink.

  to know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and them promptly forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself- that the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed.

  even to understand "doublethink" involved the use of doublethink.~~~~ 1984 .. by george orwell ..page 32 .

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  zev

  I MADE ONE WORD CHANGE.

  THINK ABOUT THIS TOO.

  The labyrinthine world of doublethink. To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the ORGANIZATION was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and them promptly forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself- that the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand "doublethink" involved the use of doublethink.~~~~ 1984 .. by George Orwell ..page 32
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  food for thought.

  by zev in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the labyrinthine world of doublethink.

  to know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and them promptly forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself- that the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed.

  even to understand "doublethink" involved the use of doublethink.~~~~ 1984 .. by george orwell ..page 32 .

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  zev

  Think about this.
  
  

  The labyrinthine world of doublethink. To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and them promptly forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself- that the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand "doublethink" involved the use of doublethink.~~~~ 1984 .. by George Orwell ..page 32