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  Why ? Why? WHY???

  by rune in

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  this topic has been rolling around in my head for some time.

  i don't expect that i'll write it perfectly as it needs to be articulated in different ways for different people...but i will do my best.

  and worst of all, i am not expecting any kind of response that will satisfy me.

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  OK, then. Let me try a different tack - the original question was, now correct me if I'm wrong about this, but: Why do people insist on a) spiritual explanations b) a greater purpose for the species of humanity versus the animals???

  You insist that 95 percent of the human experience with the spiritual is a delusion. This does not strike you as being a bit dogmatic? I mean, I have heard the opposite argument, that ninetyfive percent of the spiritual experience that did not revolve around the Watchtower was actually the worship of demons, and even back then that struck me as a bit of a hard line to take.

  You started the debate, not about whether or not the spiritual experience is real, falsifiable, or even a positive thing, but rather over the human compulsion to find a spiritual explanation for Life, the Universe, and Everything. You insisted, from the start of the debate, that all spiritual experiences are delusions, fancies, and the products of a deep and abiding human need for comfort. When your founding statement is so patently closed to discussion, then what are you really asking the question for? What were you trying to accomplish by starting this thread? If you are really so uncurious as to ignore something that is either encoded in your DNA or a product of a soul or both, then why even ask the question? What do you care what we believe as long as we sit still and pay taxes?

  I would suggest that the question, with all the attendant frustration and apparent arrogance is actually a product of your own psychic hunger, the repressed desire to connect with the Unverse, God, and the rest of humanity on a level undefinable by science.

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  Why ? Why? WHY???

  by rune in

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  this topic has been rolling around in my head for some time.

  i don't expect that i'll write it perfectly as it needs to be articulated in different ways for different people...but i will do my best.

  and worst of all, i am not expecting any kind of response that will satisfy me.

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  We are not here to rate Rune, we are here to talk about a subject ... the subject is not Rune, neither the capacity to embrasse some phylosophy just for the sake of personnal needs... (you can talk hours about that ... the forum is full of it ...) ... maybe he just want to explore more than sticking on what we know or do agree with already ...So of course if you come over with an old story ...

  Hey, FBB, I loveya - and it is possible to discuss, debate, disagree without being dismissive, demeaning, or demonic. The subject of Rune being a troll? He asked a question designed to bring out the worst in people, struck at one of our weaker, longstanding members, and then refused to respond to assertions. How can somebody debate that?

  The subject is NOT being debated - Rune just makes a statement and then shouts that all who disagree with him are morons.

  Now for a statement that is beyond debate: Frenchbabyface is gorgeous! Hubba hubba!

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  Let's play 'Devils Advocate'. . . . . . . . . .

  by nicolaou in

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  for the purposes of this thread i am a dub.

  a 2nd generation, dyed-in-the-wool, sincere and genuine jehovahs witness (just like i used to be).

  well i just feel the need to hone my debating skills after having been in a 'faded' state for quite a while.

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  What is the current interpretation of the scarlet colored wild beast of Revelation, the identity of the harlot, and their relationship? In line with that, how is the Watchtowers longstanding relationship with the UN any different than the harlot's?

  My second question run thus: If David was allowed to eat the showbread of the altar to save his and his men's lives; and if Jesus allowed his disciples to grind grain and eat it on the Sabbath; and if Jesus condemned the Pharisees who strained out the gnat of Sabbath keeping but would gulp down the camel of allowing people to suffer - what is the validation of the no blood transfusion rule, especially when it costs the lives of innocent children?

  Third: What reason is there to subscribe to a "greater fulfillment" clause about any of the prophecies in the Bible? Where in the Bible does it say that we should look for a greater fulfillment in our time of the prophecies of Hosea, Isaiah, Jesus, and others?

  Please describe all the important dates in your theology, why they are significant, and where the Biblical proof of such numbers guessing comes in - especially in light of Jesus' direct statement that "no man knows the day or the hour." (Should keep you busy. 1919! 1914! 1935! 1975 (not anymore))

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  Why ? Why? WHY???

  by rune in

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  this topic has been rolling around in my head for some time.

  i don't expect that i'll write it perfectly as it needs to be articulated in different ways for different people...but i will do my best.

  and worst of all, i am not expecting any kind of response that will satisfy me.

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  czarofmischief: So you have the same old story. Why did you even bother?

  Because feeding trolls is a hobby of mine... LOL! Tu es excommunicatis! Go forth and be damned... Your attitude just gave me a bit of a clue as to why believers used to burn your lot at the stake. Go buy a beer, you're old enough for that now. Some puppy can't even be trusted with decent car insurance rates and he's the Messiah of Nothing? Siddown, sir Chumpsalot, and whine till somebody changes your diaper. The same old story - which means you've heard it before - and this suggests nothing to that razor sharp intellect you've got? Careful, you are so sharp you're going to bleed all over your keyboard.

  I place this curse on you, whoever you are: A long happy life.

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  Famous Atheist Now Believes in God

  by MegaDude in

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  http://abcnews.go.com/us/wirestory?id=315976

  article i read today..... .

  famous atheist now believes in god .

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  Today we are way more informed as to the effects of progress on the environment so why turn a blind eye to facts? Why not respect the planet we live on and treat it with some respect ?

  No no no, that's not what I meant. I'm just saying that a lot of the "buzzwords" that get people worried are simply NOT backed up by fact. Like, GLOBAL WARMING - not actually backed up by any facts that we know of, and the facts we do have suggest rapid climate change throughout history. And the fact that the OZONE LAYER seems to be rebuilding itself. Now, actual POLLUTION, is fairly dinstinguishable and usually preventable. But don't worry about LANDFILLS there's plenty of room.

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  New Search Engine Will Be Faster Than Google!

  by Swan in

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  new search engine will be faster than google.

  by tammy swan.

  brooklyn, ny - the watchtower bible and tract society, also known as jehovah's witnesses, will soon launch their own web search engine and free email service.

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  LOL!

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  Why ? Why? WHY???

  by rune in

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  this topic has been rolling around in my head for some time.

  i don't expect that i'll write it perfectly as it needs to be articulated in different ways for different people...but i will do my best.

  and worst of all, i am not expecting any kind of response that will satisfy me.

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  What would it take to convince YOU?

  I know why I believe in a God and the afterlife. LittleToe has his reasons. Dansk has his beliefs and his reasons. And the vast majority of humans throughout history have come to the same conclusions we have - not in detail, but in the general sense that there is something more, something that seems mystical to us - something like 95 percent (I heard this on Contact, so I might need to research this ) have believed in things like special creation, divine intervention, etc...

  You do have a couple of points, which show your intelligence. One is that religion is no excuse for sloppy thinking. Another is that the existence of God would take extraordinary proof. We concur with you. We have been given that extraordinary proof, whereas you apparently have not.

  I had a post where I listed just a couple of the things that I considered my "special proof" but I was mocked, and laughed at. Shrug. I have said it. LIttleToe has a whole website somewhere. And Dansk is the one who is struggling with mortality - you might do well to listen to him. I know, you are 21, you think you are immortal. I'm 27 and that particular delusion is starting to fade. But if you are seriously looking for answers - rather than just trying to mock believers into acquiesence, then why mock what you don't understand yet?

  The Native Americans used to send out their young to survive on their own. That's how they learned there was a Great Spirit. The struggle to survive, the realization on how easy it is to die, hunger, privation... you came back to the community with a renewed sense of purpose and a new devotion.

  You have also said that this is a "useful delusion" - but how can any delusion remain useful for thousands of years, in all cultures and civilizations? How can the spirit world remain the crux of all arguments about what to do on earth, even after all this time and discovery and science? You shriek, why? I say, because it is true.

  What LT was trying to tell you through the Africa thing was this: Your spiritual Proof, which is what you are actually asking for, will come when and where it is most beneficial for you. If you can slide through your whole life without experiencing it, you probably will. But if you actually NEED the proof, then it will happen. It will be something you won't expect. Something that if you tried to explain to someone else, it would sound silly and trite. But in your heart you will know it to be what it is.

  Or not. Shrug. Not my problem, really. Sorry you agnostics feel outnumbered. It's um, because you are. But HEY, have a nice day! I make a point of being friendly to small minorities and to Put Them At Their Ease.

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  What would you like to do if you knew it wouldn't kill you?

  by Elsewhere in

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  ...or hurt you.. as an example: drive your car off a cliff like in the movie groundhod day, just for the hell of it.. basically something that would normaly kill you or leave you messed up real bad... but in this case you could "reset" all new again.. don't be shy... i won't think your weird if you want to blow your head off just to see what it's like.

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  Be in a medieval melee; or maybe a whole campaign with the medieval armament, style, and equipment.

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  Do you believe that ancient humans once had advanced technology?

  by Elsewhere in

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  this is something that has been tossed around for some time, but something occurred to me: if ancient humans did have advanced technology, such as space travel, we would know about it.

  the reason i say we would know about it is because they would most certainly have left objects in orbit around earth.

  yes, the low-orbit objects would have eventually fallen back due to the drag of the upper atmosphere.

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  If humans were so advanced, what happened? Where did they go? Why did they stop and go back to living in caves, dying of tooth decay, and not wiping their asses at all? Maybe they became leftists and it destroyed their civilization?

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  Famous Atheist Now Believes in God

  by MegaDude in

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  http://abcnews.go.com/us/wirestory?id=315976

  article i read today..... .

  famous atheist now believes in god .

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  It seems the smarter man gets the more problems he makes for himself, like using up the natural resouces of the earth, polution, weapons of mass destruction etc.

  I disagree - problems remain fairly constant. Before we were concerned with "using up the natural resources" we were worried about things like famine, smallpox, the Black Death... etc... While there are aspects of resource usage that can be altered; in the end it is a scare tactic. They want to frighten you into one course of action or another. So they make shit up.

  Anyway, God is real. Glad the boy realized it.

  CZAR