Wish I'd joined the Navy at your age. Trying for USAF now - but it may be too late. It's not as easy as it would have been.
anyway, it's up to you - but don't let the religion influence your decision. Believe me, it's the wrong path.
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I need to make a very important decision
by crizlee inok in 5 months i could move out of the house, when i turn 18 on may 5, with my teacher who offered me to stay for a few months until i go to college or i could room with my friend whose got an apartment not far from here.
or i could stay at home starting at june 1 i wont have anything to do with this religion except ill have to pay my own bills and such.
now i just got accepted to texas a&m and university of texas, and i want to go to ut but my parents wont support me for that.
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Do ALL men cheat??
by ChakkaConned ini was watching an old eddie murphy hbo special a few weeks ago where he was talking about relationships.
in his bit, he went off on how all men cheat on their wives and girlfriends.
he was adamant that even the nicest of guys will take the opportunity to cheat if given the chance and that women need to understand that this is the way it is, 100% of the time.
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When you make a promise to your life-partner, (IMO) you are making a promise to yourself. It should be respected as if it was a promise to yourself.
I view it as part of a contract which can be voided by actions on either partner's part. You may be right about it. I just watched my father, in an affection-less marriage, take out a lot of his frustration on us kids. Sometimes keeping a promise hurts people more than breaking or bending it. Just my 2 cents.
I did not mean to call you merciless. I'm sorry.
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Will your son be available tomorrow?
I'm renting him out. Besides, it might be a girl that's doing this. We don't know yet.
I'm holding out for a big signing bonus - I think the kid is worth it... ha ha ha!
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Do ALL men cheat??
by ChakkaConned ini was watching an old eddie murphy hbo special a few weeks ago where he was talking about relationships.
in his bit, he went off on how all men cheat on their wives and girlfriends.
he was adamant that even the nicest of guys will take the opportunity to cheat if given the chance and that women need to understand that this is the way it is, 100% of the time.
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Brad (I am all for freedom between the sexes, but when you make a promise..... it should stand.)
So you've NEVER broken a promise? Even a little one? Under duress, even? You can be merciless if you like, but there are circumstances...
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Let's do something big for this year's memorial !
by Simon inenough of the wts intimidation and getting away with all sorts of crap.
we, "the people", have more power than they, "the establishment", do.. this year i propose that we make ourselves heard and noticed.
that as many people as possible protest at their beloved memorial - the one event that is "most sacred" to them.. i am not suggesting that we disrupt or do anything illegal but simply that we exercise our right to take up their offer of free wine and make a statement.. go, drink.
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I'm in!
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Do ALL men cheat??
by ChakkaConned ini was watching an old eddie murphy hbo special a few weeks ago where he was talking about relationships.
in his bit, he went off on how all men cheat on their wives and girlfriends.
he was adamant that even the nicest of guys will take the opportunity to cheat if given the chance and that women need to understand that this is the way it is, 100% of the time.
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It doesn't take much, I think, for most men. Some men have deeply unsatisfying relationships and seek solace elsewhere. It's just supply and demand, really - if the wife ain't dealing the product, the demand goes elsewhere.
Some men are just jerks, or are so poorly matured that they find self-fulfillment in repeated conquest.
There is a fair bit of pressure on men to cheat, too. If a man hasn't slept with many women, there is a tendency to view him as odd or weak.
And some men keep themselves from cheating despite all three of these things.
But I would warn any woman that problems in any relationship over an extended period of time would increase the likelihood of a frustrated man filling up at a different gas station.
Depends on the man, the woman, and the relationship. But I would say that the incidence is a lot higher than many would be willing to admit.
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What a game! 20-17 in OT??? Yikes! I'm sitting here in shock! SHOCK!
It was the 4th quarter and my wife tugged me and told me to feel her tummy. I FELT MY BABY MOVE!
This was about ten seconds before the Jets missed the second field goal attempt and the game went into OT!
And then, that gentle fluttering from the Imperial Gestational Facility was like a good luck charm for my Black and Gold Armada - as the Jets completely disintegrated and Jeff Reed kicked the winner!
So I'm going around telling everybody that my baby kicked the field goal!
Praise the Lord, Yo!
I'm totally tripping out. It is a surfeit of happiness in the House of Mischief!
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Judge orders removal of "evolution disclaimer" stickers in Georgia, USA
by seattleniceguy inthank goodness, a judge with some sense!.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2005/01/13/national1134est0530.dtl.
here's a quote:but the judge disagreed: "while evolution is subject to criticism, particularly with respect to the mechanism by which it occurred, the sticker misleads students regarding the significance and value of evolution in the scientific community.
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It will to some, as the judge stated. But once again, the main point of removing the sticker is to avoid giving political mileage to religionists with a political agenda, which would violate our Constitution.
Therein lies the crux of your argument. Would advancing an argument from religious preconceptions violate the Constitution? (Your reading of the First Amendment notwithstanding, which is the only mention of religion) Frankly, no. Most schools get most of their funding from local and state property taxes. Federal funding constitutes a small portion of most school's budgets. Shouldn't the local taxpayers be able to decide how their tax money is spent? Of course, me being a states rights sort of fellow, I'd probably differ from you on that.
You insist that the sticker is the vanguard of a religious advance. I insist that fighting the sticker is the rearguard action of the militant atheist crew. They don't like states rights, either, most of them.
Your argument is ridiculous. I didn't say that the point about the sticker is WHO is promoting it per se. I said that, in the context of the political environment in which we all exist, WHO promoted it shows that it is part of a political agenda, a political statement with potentially far-reaching consequences -- not a neutral bit of argumentation about the validity of the theory of evolution.
It's YOUR argument! If it's ridiculous, blame yourself. You just said, the messenger defines the message. If it were a lengthy or even important message, then certainly some inspection of the messengers credibility would be warranted. But it's a small sticker, surely we can, and more importantly, the students can, evaluate its merit on their own, yes?
Here you're admitting that the sticker's message was not neutral at all, but a message from "the opposition". Euphemism, please take note that the real message of the sticker has gotten across to folks like czarofmischief.
No. You've made it the opposition by opposing it. The sticker certainly came from your opposition - but the sticker itself IS neutral. It's a benign, empty statement that could be pasted on a Bible!
How old are you? Many older ideas were largely abandoned in the 1980s. Have you not kept up?
I graduated from High School in 1995. I got an A in my AP Biology class and did pretty well on the AP exam which gave me college credit. I know what I learned back then. I know it's wrong NOW, but my teacher would have never clued me in to the holes in the Miller experiment, for instance, only the Creation book did.
Not so. The fact that gravity holds Saturn's moon Titan in an orbit around Saturn is not political. The fact that just today, the Huygens spacecraft landed on Titan is not political. The orbital mechanics that allowed astrophysicists to calculate the many parameters that resulted in that landing is not political. The observation that life has changed dramatically during the three and a half billion years of its existence is not political.
Yes it is. Given the furor that erupted when my man, W, decided we should go to Mars - yes, all scientific advance is political. It's funded by parties, it's driven by agendas, and it produces tangible results in every day life. Hence, even the landing on Titan is a political entity - and the inception of the theory of gravity was also a political event with its own fallout.
True, but that's irrelevant to the issue of whether the sticker is constitutional, or whether it promotes creationism. It unarguably does the latter.
Nope. It promotes skepticism. You can't use the argument of the effect a statement might have on a reader. It's like banning JW's because their statements are "possibly" likely to cause a breach of the peace. As for the "wedge" argument, I find it ridiculous beyond belief. I mean, you might say that letting a left-wing editor print his beliefs against the war was a "wedge" that might cause internal disloyalty. That was struck down in the 40's.
Of course, I'll trade you the sticker's placement if I can hang hippies.
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Fear!
by LittleToe infalse evidence appearing real
"fear only fear itself", is a maxim that i regularly used to use, until the habit became ingrained.. it was truly liberating.
i offer it only because it personally helped me.
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Many people are constrained by fear of embarassment.
Which is odd, since it ain't that bad. Actually, there's a perverse pleasure in discomfiting yourself and others; as well as satisfaction in standing up for principle, such as the Freedom of Farting.
Also, I conquered a great deal of stage fright by learning to enjoy the sensation of being afraid. My addiction to horror movies began at the same time - the actual sensation of being afraid is actually pretty nice. Like S and M for the soul, y'know?
There are also the problem of dread, which is unfocused tension regarding a potential situation or problem. I haven't managed to beat this one yet. Going for a run and chanting, "I am Demon" tends to help... Just asserting my control over a great deal in my life, empowering myself through exercise and (soon) martial arts training (signing up for kickboxing to help get ready for basic).
Also cleaning the house can help find that control.
Oddly enough, LOSING control in a controlled way can help - like getting a little sloshed and still maintaining is a powerful act in itself.
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Judge orders removal of "evolution disclaimer" stickers in Georgia, USA
by seattleniceguy inthank goodness, a judge with some sense!.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2005/01/13/national1134est0530.dtl.
here's a quote:but the judge disagreed: "while evolution is subject to criticism, particularly with respect to the mechanism by which it occurred, the sticker misleads students regarding the significance and value of evolution in the scientific community.
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ALANF!
: the sticker in and of itself does not contradict anything we know to be true;
Yes, it does. As Narkissos pointed out, the sticker explicitly read "a theory, not a fact". This gives the false impression that facts and theories are mutually exclusive, which is simply not so. Gravity is a good example.
Yes. A theory regarding the "origins of life," not the development of it. Abiogenesis, which even you admit is a highly debated theory regarding the mechanisms.
: besides, without knowing what is IN the textbook, it is hard to know whether it is necessary to leave a "door" of critical thinking open.
Not really. The sticker in and of itself is misleading, and therefore ought not to be pasted on any textbook.
How is it misleading? Who does it mislead and about what? The students should be aware of the debate that exists, even within the "scientific community" which is only a minor part of the community as a whole. Why try to silence the opposition, if education regarding the facts would do? Are you trying to "protect" students from ideas, even as the fundie side did when evolution started being taught? HA! Good luck with THAT. You'd do better for your cause to let the other side have its moment and then argue it into submission. If the textbook is a good one, then the sticker will make no difference to the student.
: Some textbooks include abiogenesis as part of the "fact" of evolution. Some even use outmoded understandings of evolutionary processes! Should these be presented as the "facts" on which a student can build a life?
No. Such textbooks shouldn't be used, since they don't properly present science.
But they do and are. So the sticker is appropriate for that kind of textbook. I assure you, my experience of high school includes Miller's experiment being presented as current, and the "branching tree" of Darwin. More skepticism from the get-go would help students find such sites as talkorigins, etc. so that they can find the current idea.
: Or should they be presented as possibilities, with greater or lesser bodies of evidence which can be weighed - and leaves the decision of belief in the lap of those who should make the choice, ie. the students themselves? After all, they have to live with the consequences of their choices.
You're making the classic mistake of viewing biological evolution versus creation as if it were merely a philosophical difference of opinion. It is not. Evolution is science. It is the consensus among tens of thousands of scientists who study the basic material every day. Besides, there is nothing at all preventing students from getting sectarian opinions from any number of other sources, including their parents and churches.
Ah. You remind me of Christians who differ about Jesus life, activities, and role - but insist that he is still central to eternal salvation. Evolutionists argue about the origins, the mechanisms, and the purposes of evolutionary processes, but they insist that "God wasn't involved." Simply because they prefer it that way.
The point here is that the people who lobbied for the sticker did so for political purposes, which means that they were trying to insert their religious misgivings about evolution into the science curriculum.
EVERYTHING is politics, including the wave of evolutionary science being taught in school. It isn't being pushed for altruistic purposes. Given the ever-changing, incoherent, incomplete theories of evolution, I think the sticker had a point that hit closer to home than certain politically minded folks liked; hence the panic.
: And the sticker doesn't reference the Bible at all, Simon. Not directly. But certainly indirectly, given who promoted it.
Nazis and Communists believe in and promote evolution. Doesn't mean I should ignore evolutionary arguments, right? Or oppose the teaching of evolution is school, since look at the bad fruitage of this theory! The argument for evolution (and creation) can either stand or fall on its own merit, regardless of the messenger. In essence, that is an ad hominem attack, and beneath your status on this board, my friend.
: Besides, most people wind up making up their own minds about what to believe, evidence or no, stickers or none... True enough. But a lot of braindeadly religious fanatics would never get the facts without a science curriculum free of sectarian religious influences.
What? No faith in truth to prevail? No faith in human reason to reach correct conclusions despite obstacles? You astound me! Such cynicism in such a young man ! Seriously, we escaped the dubs, right? The Internet is out there for those who want to research. There are libraries, there are universities, etc. etc. etc. If evolution is true, then the sticker won't dissuade anybody; save those who want to be dissuaded, and then no textbook would help you in your cause. (For it IS a cause, my friend, admit it or no, truth and how we see it is always the only cause. The trick is admitting that no amount of control will persuade anybody in any meaningful way. God knows this, too ).
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