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  Atlanta Int Convention 2014:The Big Party. Does this look like WT believes Armageddon is coming "soon"?

  by AndDontCallMeShirley in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=potrr2qxhue.

  .. if armageddon is "imminent", why is wt focused on sight-seeing, entertainment, travel, etc.

  instead of preaching and saving people??.

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  @ Splash: Showed my other half. She looked at me as if to say "Is this for real?"

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  Funny, that's the same reaction the "Sparlock"™ video got by every JW who saw it before they went to their DC.
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  Atlanta Int Convention 2014:The Big Party. Does this look like WT believes Armageddon is coming "soon"?

  by AndDontCallMeShirley in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=potrr2qxhue.

  .. if armageddon is "imminent", why is wt focused on sight-seeing, entertainment, travel, etc.

  instead of preaching and saving people??.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  Obviously many JWs don't understand that International Conventions are an exclusive JW club. They think they can just show up and be warmly accepted like they would be at any other convention. After asking JWBrothers for info. on dates and travel info., here are some funny comments from the website administrators:

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  http://www.news.jwbrothers.org/2014-international-convention-jehovahs-witnesses/

  "Hi! Just a bit of info: For all of you asking about when a certain convention is, where to stay, etc. you must realize you are not to attend any convention without an invitation. You must apply through your local congregation, and wait for a reply. This is so all things will be ‘by arrangement’ as the scriptures mention. It also keeps the crowd to the proper size for each convention, so your brothers and sisters are not overcrowded. Please be obedient, and do not go to ANY convention without an invitation! Remember, he who is obedient in little things, will be obedient in bigger things!"

  "100,000 brothers and sisters will be visiting the Australia International Assembly (Melbourne) and 3 other conventions in Adelaide, Perth and Townsville along with 4 (TBA) in NZ simultaneously. I cant say what the dates will be but it was read out at our local meeting that NO FAMILIES OR FRIENDS were to attend if they were NOT invited. There will be a delegation of 4,000 overseas witnesses who would have had to go through the process of being approved by their local congregation elders, the branch (who have the final say)who goes to Melbourne. I guess its a bit like Jehovah giving final instructions how we follow the directions of the appointed body it counts in his eyes how we listen to his telling us where to go and when not to. Obedience from the heart is what he wants now from us makes things move smoother for the brothers and us."

  and, my favorite comment:

  "By invitations only means the public is no longer welcome at these conventions?"

  No, it means that most JWs are not welcome at these conventions. Welcome to the New Earth Society, brother!

  JWBrothers sure has the obedience mantra down pat.
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  International conventions - Seattle

  by Lynnie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just found out from my jw mom that the congregations located in the suburbs north of seattle.

  will be renting buses to shuttle people back and forth to the international convention at husky.

  stadium.

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  Awesome...high beams and beaver ! Sounds like the Seattle convention is the place to be in 2014....

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  Nathan: It was a gift when I joined The Liars' Club!

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  in that case, say 'hi' to the GB for me...especially Tony Mo 3. I love his "Human Hot Dog" story...it never gets old.
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  International conventions - Seattle

  by Lynnie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just found out from my jw mom that the congregations located in the suburbs north of seattle.

  will be renting buses to shuttle people back and forth to the international convention at husky.

  stadium.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  @ Nathan:

  You have a hoverboard? Awesome!

  I think the WTB&TS saw the relative isolation of the Stadium as a MAJOR appeal

  Exactly. It wouldn't matter if the area was saturated with restaurants...JWs will be eating bologne and about-to-go-bad potato salad out of their picinic cooler. Jehovah™ considers it a grave sin to go out and eat during assemblies. The rest of the year he's more tolerant.

  Looking forward to the cool temps. and the baptism (.)(.)
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  Heads Up: If you are an older JW, WT has no further use for you!

  by AndDontCallMeShirley in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wt is retiring district overseers, has sent older jws serving at bethel packing despite years of faithful service, and as of june 1, 2014, has announced that any elder that has reached 80 years of age is no longer valued or wanted as a cobe.

  in wt land it would appear that older people have little or no value, and wt sees no reason to use them in any meaningful capacity.

  i wonder how this makes older ones feel after devoting their lives to wt's interests while shelving their own hopes and dreams?.

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  @ Outlaw: LOL !

  How'd you get your parents to pose for that last pic? Love it...
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  Heads Up: If you are an older JW, WT has no further use for you!

  by AndDontCallMeShirley in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wt is retiring district overseers, has sent older jws serving at bethel packing despite years of faithful service, and as of june 1, 2014, has announced that any elder that has reached 80 years of age is no longer valued or wanted as a cobe.

  in wt land it would appear that older people have little or no value, and wt sees no reason to use them in any meaningful capacity.

  i wonder how this makes older ones feel after devoting their lives to wt's interests while shelving their own hopes and dreams?.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  As a pre-emptive rebuttal to any apologist who may say we're reading too much into the WT's elder training videos, and the details we've pointed out are benign, here's WT's bold claim:

  "...In summary, the Writing Department insists on using only material that is accurate and truthful, even regarding seemingly insignificant details. As a result, “the faithful and discreet slave” can consistently supply spiritual food that brings honor to “the God of truth,” Jehovah."

  2011 Yearbook, page 9.

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  w87 3/1 15 'Upon the Watchtower I Am Standing'
  
  "Each article in both The Watchtower and Awake! and every page, including the artwork, is scrutinized by selected members of the Governing Body before it is printed. Furthermore, those who assist in writing articles for The Watchtower are Christian elders who appreciate the seriousness of their assignment. (Compare 2 Chronicles 19:7.) They spend many hours in researching the Bible and other reference material to make sure that what is written is the truth and that it faithfully follows the Scriptures. (Ecclesiastes 12:9, 10; 2 Timothy 1:13) It is not unusual for one magazine article—that you may read in 15 minutes—to take from two weeks to over a month to prepare".

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  This was printed prior to WT's extensive use of video and, obviously, the Internet or JW.org. But, they've printed nothing since that time which contradicts the above quotes, so we can reasonably conclude that everything in the videos, even "seemingly insignificant details", are there intentionally.
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  Atlanta Int Convention 2014:The Big Party. Does this look like WT believes Armageddon is coming "soon"?

  by AndDontCallMeShirley in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=potrr2qxhue.

  .. if armageddon is "imminent", why is wt focused on sight-seeing, entertainment, travel, etc.

  instead of preaching and saving people??.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  Thanks, Ptreist ! That's the one.

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  @ Vidiot:

  Voltaire: "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."
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  GB

  by Finallyfree12 in

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  2. child-abuse

  might be a dumb question but who cares.... is there only one gb or is there one in each country?.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  There's only one.....and that's too many.
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  Atlanta Int Convention 2014:The Big Party. Does this look like WT believes Armageddon is coming "soon"?

  by AndDontCallMeShirley in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=potrr2qxhue.

  .. if armageddon is "imminent", why is wt focused on sight-seeing, entertainment, travel, etc.

  instead of preaching and saving people??.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  WT is so focused on how great they think they are, I'm sure it catches them off guard when their propoganda videos do not result in everyone seeing them to immediately want to become a JW.

  Magnum, I have little doubt WT patrols JWN and similar sites to get an idea of how their latest nonsense is being interpretted. It probably came as a real shock to them that this Atlanta video wasn't winning any accolades and people with at least two functioning brain cells can easily see the video for what it is.

  Why didn't they just ask us first before making the video? LOL. We could've told them it was crap. There goes a few hundred thousand $$ down the tubes on their slick production.

  Back to the drawing board for WT !
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  Heads Up: If you are an older JW, WT has no further use for you!

  by AndDontCallMeShirley in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wt is retiring district overseers, has sent older jws serving at bethel packing despite years of faithful service, and as of june 1, 2014, has announced that any elder that has reached 80 years of age is no longer valued or wanted as a cobe.

  in wt land it would appear that older people have little or no value, and wt sees no reason to use them in any meaningful capacity.

  i wonder how this makes older ones feel after devoting their lives to wt's interests while shelving their own hopes and dreams?.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  Does everyone remember the two elder training videos that were leaked several weeks ago? The one where "Robbie" committed fornication and was now in front of a JC? Another was exclusively for elders at the training school last year.

  In the 'don't do it this way' portion of how to handle JCs, the older elder on the committee who was more compassionate, lenient and wanting to hold off on immediately DF the accused was portrayed as not following procedure. He was in the wrong. He was overruled by the younger elders who were more judgmental and harsh and voted to DF without much discussion.

  I wonder if WT, by the deliberate way they are portraying these older men, see them as a liability? I think a general statement about people, as they get older and have seen a few things is, they tend to become less judgmental and stuck on what's supposed to be "right" and "wrong" in life. They've had several decades of their own screw-ups to embrace, and realize life isn't all roses. An elder who's 60,70 or 80 years old has seen some stuff, and realizes that it's human to mess up...why be so hard on a person?

  Sadly, this mentality has no place in the heavily corporate, "take no prisoners" approach that WT is increasingly adopting. WT needs younger elders who follow corporate procedures to the letter and enforce policies with an iron fist. Compassion is not an alternative. This new crop of elders will only know the 'new' WT, and if the older men who know how it used to be are still around in a position where they can exert some influence the other direction, it undermines WT's methodology.