Posts by AndDontCallMeShirley

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Zone Visit: An Announcement That Will "Test Your Faith"
by breakfast of champions in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
this is the scuttlebutt in one of the "bethel congregations" by us.. no details as to exactly what this "faith-testing" announcement might be.. anyone else hear any of this pre-zone visit hype?.

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AndDontCallMeShirley

I would surmize that it does have to do with the recent rash of Watchtower pedophile reports in the news.

I have thought of this as well. While WT may think it's a brilliant move to talk about it, IMO it would be a huge mistake to even mention it. 99.9% of JWs are completely clueless as to the extent of the pedophile issue within the Org and the tens of millions $$ WT has paid in lawsuit settlements-published and unpublished.

The only available outlet to learn more about the issue is the Internet, since WT does not speak about it, and many JWs will go online to find more info. We all know where that will take them. Game over for any JW with two functioning brain cells, as the cat would be out of the bag and WT is fully exposed for it's culpability and secrecy.

Some, maybe many, JWs would buy WT's song and dance B.S. story, but many will also check it out for themselves.
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ALERT: NEW LAWSUIT settlement - $13 MILLION
by Watchtower-Free in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/135m-awarded-to-bible-teacher-gonzalo-campos-alleged-abuse-victim-jose-lopez-281031832.html.

(published thursday, oct 30, 2014).

thursday, oct 30, 2014 updated at 11:58 pm pdt.
AndDontCallMeShirley

The obvious is obvious

Obviously not, since you still don't get it.

Perhaps a local paper will pick it up as a human interest story.

LOL. Read a little, BOTR (I know you have an aversion to reading, but try anyway).
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Prince on Saturday Night Live
by designs in
1. social
2. entertainment
did you catch it.. http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/watch-princes-electric-prformance-from-tonights-saturd-1653735759.

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AndDontCallMeShirley

The factual MJ account offers quite the intriguing insight into surprising and unexpected ways

So, no evidence to support your claims, Amnesio? What are they since you claim they exist?

I'm not trying to "win" anything. You blasted my recounting of what a CO, sitting at my dinner table, with firsthand knowledge of the MJ case personally related to me about the case.

I'll offer no more detail, but am obliged to repeat that you are either misinformed, inexperienced in matters such as these, or perhaps merely naïve.

You'll offer no more detail because I doubt you can.

I'm a fourth generation JW. My relatives in the first three generations wre CO's, DO's, Special Pioneers, etc. I've sat with members of the GB at assemblies, worked with them in the D to D work, and had them in my home for meals. I think I've seen a thing or two, but if my background still makes me "inexperienced","misinformed" or "naive" in your view, so be it.

You certainly are full of yourself.
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Seen on Etsy - wtf!
by poopsiecakes in
1. social
2. humour
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AndDontCallMeShirley

LOL. JWs cannot even leave the beloved WT [brackets] off their ridiculous dime store swag. Too funny.
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Prince on Saturday Night Live
by designs in
1. social
2. entertainment
did you catch it.. http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/watch-princes-electric-prformance-from-tonights-saturd-1653735759.

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AndDontCallMeShirley

You're quite misinformed if you believe the WTS did not respond to certain members' outcries, even back in the day.

WT responds only to threats to its public image. It doesn't give a damn about internal rumblings from the R&F. Please post evidence of any major policy change WT has made based on popular opinion among JWs.

By "certain members", you mean GB members? Your comment reveals that even you do not believe the R&F have much influence.
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Prince on Saturday Night Live
by designs in
1. social
2. entertainment
did you catch it.. http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/watch-princes-electric-prformance-from-tonights-saturd-1653735759.

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AndDontCallMeShirley

As for the Society's "seeing past MJ's $$$ to warn him," nothing of the kind happened. It was the relentless outrage on the part of resentful, working-stiff rank and file JWs that forced their hand.

I disagree with this. I was good friends with a Ca. CO who was involved with this csae at the time. He told me a little about what DFing MJ was all about. It had nothing to do with the "outrage" of rank and file JWs. Since when in its entire history has WT done anything based on what the R&F want?

You also have to remember, the WT Organization in the early 1980's (when MJ was disfellowshipped) is not the same organization as it is in 2014. The 2014 2.0 version of WT has no problem with famous JWs doing what MJ did 30 years prior.
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ALERT: NEW LAWSUIT settlement - $13 MILLION
by Watchtower-Free in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/135m-awarded-to-bible-teacher-gonzalo-campos-alleged-abuse-victim-jose-lopez-281031832.html.

(published thursday, oct 30, 2014).

thursday, oct 30, 2014 updated at 11:58 pm pdt.
AndDontCallMeShirley

BOTR: I'm not checking but I believe both Conti and this case happened before CA's legislature enacted a mandatory reporting law for clergy. The WTBTS can argue that it had no notice that its behavior would subject it to liability.

The core of all these judicial proceedings/judgments is based squarely on the fact that WT policies encourage non-reporting of these sex crimes, regardless of whether a specific law requires them to or not. The fact that WT advises elders to keep these matters "in house", instead of alerting the authorities, and WT adds insult to injury by disciplining victims who do choose to contact the authorities, is what the court recognizes. The Conti case clearly demonstrated that Watchtower policies are the problem, and the court ruled accordingly.

BOTR...for someone who "doesn't have time" to read anything, you sure have strong opinions. A lawyer who doesn't bother reading court documents...go figure.

BOTR: No! If you want me to read legal documents, pay me legal fees

I'll pay $.01 for your opinions. Where do I send the check? *

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* I feel this is overpaying.
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Governing Body Member Gerrit Loesch Must Eventually Take The Witness Stand In Child Molestation Lawsuits
by frankiespeakin in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
with many more cases in the offing the zalkin lawfirm will press the issue again and again and force gerrit loesch to testify.

what say you?.

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AndDontCallMeShirley

Can you imagine Lett in court?

I'd much rather see Tony Mo The Turd on the stand, and in the middle of questioning he breaks off and begins reminiscing about human hot dogs.
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ALERT: NEW LAWSUIT settlement - $13 MILLION
by Watchtower-Free in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/135m-awarded-to-bible-teacher-gonzalo-campos-alleged-abuse-victim-jose-lopez-281031832.html.

(published thursday, oct 30, 2014).

thursday, oct 30, 2014 updated at 11:58 pm pdt.
AndDontCallMeShirley

Actually, notice the suble use of "Jehovah's Witnesses" in the statement. They are the WatchTower Bible and Tract Society - but they try to shift the focus onto their believers instead of their legally registered and legally responsible corporation

WT has always done this. They did it in 1914, 1919, 1925 and 1975 with regard to failed prophecies; they've done it when the rank-and-file follow orders...then WT waffles on those same policies to leave JWs twisting in the wind; and now, WT hangs its own absurd corporate decisions and policies regarding pedophiles around the neck of "Jehovah's Witnesses"...the same people who have zero say in anything this religion does.

The current methodology is business-as-usual for WT...a 100 year tradition of passing the buck.
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Prince on Saturday Night Live
by designs in
1. social
2. entertainment
did you catch it.. http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/watch-princes-electric-prformance-from-tonights-saturd-1653735759.

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AndDontCallMeShirley

designs: Shirley- Do you think it was a wig.

No...I think the female lead guitarist's hair was real. Oh, you mean Prince's hair...dunno, could be.

I'm sure the elders may attempt to counsel him for pretending to have a non-WT sanctioned hairstyle...