Harold Camping admitted his mistake.
I guess, according to WT's definition, he must have been a true prophet.
AndDontCallMeShirley
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The Watchtower Writers Blame the Rank-and-File For Failed Prophecy, Why so Evil the Writers/
by SanLuisObispoTruthSeeker inwho is to blame jehovahs witnesses and the bible students believing the end was coming in 1914?
ive been reading lots of older magazines and they are so different from todays watchtower!
the current writers from the organization blame everyone except themselves for failed expectations, failed prophecy, "financial ruin and dependance on the goverment "old age social security and medicaid" on their rank-and-file members.
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The official requirement for salvation in the latest WT, nothing to do with Jesus......
by EndofMysteries in"those with the earthly hope who supported christs brothers in the preaching work will have been judged as sheep and will be granted the privilege of living in the earthly realm of the kingdom.
" 3/2015 study wt learn from illustration of talents par 13.. so there you have it, to get salvation you need to only obey the gb and if you obey and worship the gb, then you will be judged as a sheep.
truly those who listen and obey, will be blessed!.
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AndDontCallMeShirley
Sounds like the 20 K a day is an exaggeration
Nope, no exaggeration. There have been plenty of discussions here on JWN about this very subject.
Has inflation in JW's world been that high?
No. WT greed is that high.
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The Watchtower Writers Blame the Rank-and-File For Failed Prophecy, Why so Evil the Writers/
by SanLuisObispoTruthSeeker inwho is to blame jehovahs witnesses and the bible students believing the end was coming in 1914?
ive been reading lots of older magazines and they are so different from todays watchtower!
the current writers from the organization blame everyone except themselves for failed expectations, failed prophecy, "financial ruin and dependance on the goverment "old age social security and medicaid" on their rank-and-file members.
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WT: "Hole? What hole? Oh, that's not really a hole, it's just an area of my foot where skin doesn't grow- ever. Besides, it was already there when I got here. Why do you ask? Are you an apostate? Maybe you should do something about your gay tight pants rather than looking at my feet".
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The official requirement for salvation in the latest WT, nothing to do with Jesus......
by EndofMysteries in"those with the earthly hope who supported christs brothers in the preaching work will have been judged as sheep and will be granted the privilege of living in the earthly realm of the kingdom.
" 3/2015 study wt learn from illustration of talents par 13.. so there you have it, to get salvation you need to only obey the gb and if you obey and worship the gb, then you will be judged as a sheep.
truly those who listen and obey, will be blessed!.
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And whoever gives one of these little ones the Governing Body only a cup of cold water to drink $20,000 a day to rent a mortgage-free Assembly Hall because he is a disciple gullible JW, I tell you truly, he will by no means lose his reward [bestowed upon him by the Governing Body]. - Matt 10:42
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Why Do Atheists Struggle So Much Against God Who Supposedly Doesn't Exist?
by Perry inan athist made this casual statememt on another thread:.
this would suggest to me that there are at least some atheists that do have consistant beliefs.. .
as an atheist, how could he possibly trust the reason that suggests this to himself?
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AndDontCallMeShirley
Here's how a dialogue, for lack of a better term, with a theist typically goes. I'll use a non-religious subject so as to take the emotional sensitivity out of the equation for the believer:
believer: "The earth is flat, I know this to be a fact."
non-believer: "Do you have some evidence to back that claim up?"
believer: "Are you insulting my intelligence? Are you saying I have no right to believe what I want to believe? Why the "merciless" attack? Why the outrage? Don't call me stupid."
non-believer: "I only asked for evidence that would support your claim."
believer: ----- (No response-ever. Discussion closed (aka, "Perryfied")).
Meanwhile, other believers chime in and call the atheist a mean-spirited, amoral, bound-for-hell dick for having the audacity to ask the believer a simple question.
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The Watchtower Writers Blame the Rank-and-File For Failed Prophecy, Why so Evil the Writers/
by SanLuisObispoTruthSeeker inwho is to blame jehovahs witnesses and the bible students believing the end was coming in 1914?
ive been reading lots of older magazines and they are so different from todays watchtower!
the current writers from the organization blame everyone except themselves for failed expectations, failed prophecy, "financial ruin and dependance on the goverment "old age social security and medicaid" on their rank-and-file members.
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AndDontCallMeShirley
One other tactic WT commonly employs is to simply not mention its "mistakes", as if they never happened. This is hardly honest. Acting as if a mistake has never happened is as bad as making excuses for it.
In the Proclaimers book, under "noteworthy events" in JW history, notice this:
1914
First showing of the “Photo-Drama of Creation,” in New York, in January; before the end of the year, it is seen by audiences totaling over 9,000,000 in North America, Europe, and Australia
On October 2, in the Bethel dining room at Brooklyn, C. T. Russell affirms, “The Gentile times have ended”
Bible Students are active preaching in 43 lands; 5,155 share in witnessing to others; reported Memorial attendance is 18,243
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1925 Watch Tower of March 1, in discussing the birth of God’s Kingdom in 1914, shows that there are two distinct and opposing organizations—Jehovah’s and Satan’s
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1975 Governing Body is reorganized; on December 4, responsibility for much of the work is assigned to six committees, which begin to function on January 1, 1976
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Not one mention of the WT prophecies predicting Armageddon and the demise of this entire world system in each of those years... nor the fallout within the Org. when none of it came true!
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The Watchtower Writers Blame the Rank-and-File For Failed Prophecy, Why so Evil the Writers/
by SanLuisObispoTruthSeeker inwho is to blame jehovahs witnesses and the bible students believing the end was coming in 1914?
ive been reading lots of older magazines and they are so different from todays watchtower!
the current writers from the organization blame everyone except themselves for failed expectations, failed prophecy, "financial ruin and dependance on the goverment "old age social security and medicaid" on their rank-and-file members.
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AndDontCallMeShirley
WT's own comments are as revealing as they are self-condemning; it's simply that WT is so focused on shifting blame they fail to see the false prophecy forest for the trees.
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"True, there have been those in times past who predicted an "end to the world," even announcing a specific date. Yet nothing happened. The "end" did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing? Missing from such people were God’s truths and the evidence that he was guiding and using them." -- Awake! 1968 Oct 8 p.23
Laughably, WT is too focused on the error of others to see that it just shot itself in the foot.
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"Does this admission of making mistakes stamp them [Watchtower] as false prophets? Not at all, for false prophets do not admit to making mistakes." {WT Nov 1 1972 644}
There you have it, straight from the most prolific false-prophecy organization in existence!
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While WT may consider this to be a genuine moment of candid honesty, is it? Not really. When an honest person makes a mistake, they admit it and take full responsibility for it. WT euphemizes its lies, deceit and false prophecies couched in the following terms:
"tacking"
"seemingly"
we "inferred"
"suggested"
"evidently"
"misinterpreted"
'we never said it'
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The most eggregious maneuver WT makes is to simply deny what it previously published in tens of millions of magazines as if it never happened. A lie is compounded by insulting the intelligence of its very own readers:
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"Jehovah's Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus second coming, have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect. Because of this some have called them false prophets. Never in these instances, however, did they presume to originate predictions ' in the name of Jehovah '. Never did they say, ' These are the words of Jehovah'." (AWAKE! 22. March 1993)
Oh, really? Then how do you explain this?:
"This chronology is not of man but of God . . . of divine origin . . . absolutely and unqualifiedly correct." --Watchtower 7/15/1922, p.217
"We see no reason for changing the figures - nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours..." --W 7-15-1894
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And, after three decades of WT wolfing about what would positively happen in 1914, the failure came, and here's how WT handled it:
"We did not say positively that this would be the year [1914]." --Watchtower 11/1/1914, p.5565
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Finally, how did WT address the mass exodus of its followers after the failure of 1914, 1925 and 1975? Blaming the rank-and-file for being gullible enough to actually believe WT's message! and accusing those same people of "lacking faith" for leaving the Org.
... which makes the following statement absurd at best (again, an epic shoot-yourself-in-the-foot fail by WT):
"Stumble" is just another word for "make a mistake." And though we all make mistakes, how difficult it is to admit making one! It goes against one’s pride. When one is charged with making a mistake one is prone to want to justify oneself, to make excuses, to shift blame onto others, or to deny having made the mistake. It takes bigness to admit a mistake, to shoulder the blame, to admit that one has been wrong, or used poor judgment. -- W 11-1-72
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Naked Gun - absurdly funny!
by sparrowdown inoh i do enjoy a good laugh.
i watched the naked gun movie last night i was surprised at.
how funny it still is or maybe i was just in the mood for some silliness.
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AndDontCallMeShirley
Police Squad!:
Dutch Gunderson: Who are you and how did you get in here?
Frank: I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.
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Frank: We're sorry to bother you at such a time like this, Mrs. Twice. We would have come earlier, but your husband wasn't dead then
Naked Gun:
Jane: Would you like a nightcap?
Frank: No, thank you, I don't wear them.
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Frank: Like a midget at a urinal, I was going to have to stay on my toes.
Frank: Like a blind man at an orgy, I was going to have to feel my way through.
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Frank: This is Frank Drebin, Police Squad. Throw down your guns, and come on out with your hands up. Or come on out, then throw down your guns, whichever way you wanna do it. Just remember the two key elements here: one, guns to be thrown down; two, come on out!
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Why Do Atheists Struggle So Much Against God Who Supposedly Doesn't Exist?
by Perry inan athist made this casual statememt on another thread:.
this would suggest to me that there are at least some atheists that do have consistant beliefs.. .
as an atheist, how could he possibly trust the reason that suggests this to himself?
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ADCMS - I don't play that silly game
Just as I thought, tal...you made a baseless claim and when I asked you to corroborate it with evidence you cowardly avoid admitting your ruse and call giving an answer a "silly game".
Let's rephrase, just to appease your sense of outrage
I'm not outraged. What a childish response. You took issue with something I said, I asked for evidence you had to prove your point. You obviously have none. Why not just admit you made a baseless, off-the-cuff comment and I rightly called you out on it?
There, now go bug someone else.
Ummm...you took issue with my post and came after me. I wasn't 'bugging' you. If anything, you were bugging me.
Tal, your response (more accurately, reaction) is precisely what a theist does when an atheist asks for evidence which supports their claim; instead of honestly providing such evidence, the theist tucks tail and runs, all while spinning a simple question into an attack of "outrage"....which aids the theist in never having to answer questions or provide evidence.
I can see why you identify so closely with the Perrys of the world.
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Why Do Atheists Struggle So Much Against God Who Supposedly Doesn't Exist?
by Perry inan athist made this casual statememt on another thread:.
this would suggest to me that there are at least some atheists that do have consistant beliefs.. .
as an atheist, how could he possibly trust the reason that suggests this to himself?
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talesin: ADCMS -- hahaha, that's a good one. Well, I'm stuck at home these days, and must read a lot more threads than you.
Alright, tal...then please post a link to whatever thread you are referring to Re: where an atheist has said a theist has no right to believe what they want to believe.
I anticipate a "Perry Silence" from you on this one so I won't hold my breath...