Posts by AndDontCallMeShirley

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It's not just the WTS...The world is a business, and it's rigged...

by chapstick in

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the wts will collapse along with the vatican very shortly.

here's the real danger (scam) to keep an eye on.. .

matt taibl article from april rolling stone...take heed.

AndDontCallMeShirley

The oligarchs and bankers will move to get their drop of blood from the masses (you and me) either by direct theft as in Greece, massive inflation or actual reposession of public, private and corporate assets. The SOB's gamble with our money, lose it and then expect us to bail them out while they remain exempt from prosecution.

Chapstick- I did not miss your point and I 100% agree with you.

My point in posting what I did is that the total amount of debt created in these various markets by the banks is such an absurd figure that it defies all logic. You can liquidate every asset in the USA to satisfy the notes to the foreign bankers and it wouldn't even come close to paying the on-paper debt.

This is precisely what happened in the financial meltdown in 2007/2008. Investment firms such as Lehman Brothers, Goldman Sachs, et al, were selling CDO's, Derivatives and other financial instruments that were worth, on paper, more than all the money that exists on the entire planet! This is why the financial system collapsed so quickly- it took only a 1-2% drawdown in the value of these assets to completely eviscerate the entire worth of the investment firm.

The entire world financial system is nothing but a fiction- it's numbers in a computer, and that's about all.

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"Vindication" book. 1931- anti female rant. With Scans

by BluesBrother in

so "women make monkeys out of men" and the common courtesies of civilised society make a man "effeminate".....and that is enough to have a man barred from the kingdom.... (the kj version uses that word in 1 cor.6.9 but other translations apply it to homosexuality).

mother's day is denounced as a scheme of satan to idolize one's mother at the expense of worship to god!.

now it would be easy to dismiss this baloney as just a rant from jfr, but - this is not just an aside on the back page of a magazine or a small article in the "golden age"...no, it is a main study book and is a serious discussion of the prophetic book ezekiel chapt 13....this was the doctine of the time .. i woder how the 'sisters' reacted?

AndDontCallMeShirley

Mother's Day is denounced as a scheme of Satan to idolize one's Mother at the expense of worship to God!

This is funny because WT calls the organization "Mother".

Coming full-circle, JWs now idolize "mother" at the expense of worship to God- all with the blessing of the Watchtower.

Scheme of Satan? Seems so.

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Michael Jackson's kids decide no more going door-to-door

by Gopher in

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this article made my day.

it looks like paris jackson and her brother prince michael have told katherine they simply aren't interested in peddling jw stuff from door-to-door any more.

i'm glad they are becoming their own people and emerging from their grandmother's control.. http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/05/paris-jackson-prince-michael-jackson-jehovas-witness/.

AndDontCallMeShirley

"I wonder at times if the WT knows just how many JWs secretly hate it."

That would be easy enough to determine: WT could simply make door-to-door preaching optional.

Then watch and see how many JWs actually continue doing it.

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Homosexuality is an abomination!

by Fernando in

moralism,.

which as ray franz said about legalism, also seems to lead to a "morass of inconsistencies".. ray seemingly even went as far as describing "legalism" (or by extension moralism) as apostasy or "a denial of christian faith" (g79 6/8 pp.

an amusing look at the levitical law.. (from bible house of grace).

AndDontCallMeShirley

Christians always hold homosexuality as a more egregious sin than any other. Biblically, it just isn't true.

Scriptures that list what may be interpreted as homosexuality also list in the same context fornication, adultery, greed, lying, drunkeness, etc.

So, for those people that would like to deny homosexuals the same rights as everyone else, or think they should be stoned to death, should also be prepared to do the same to drunks, liars, adulterers, greedy persons and fornicators.

People living in glass houses should question the wisdom of throwing stones at anyone.

Vanderhoven- great point! You can fill in the blank with any supposed "sin" and argue just as strongly against whatever you want.

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Wow, the crap that they will believe....

by okage in

about a week ago, i posted that my sister in law believes the earthquake in china is proof that there are more earthquakes today than before.

i posted the details that i sent her that show hands down that there is no increase in earthquakes.

and i also posted that she never replied.

AndDontCallMeShirley

This kind of mindset is the inevitable end-result of a cult/religion that has an official, and long-standing, policy against critical thinking. In reality, there's an official ban against any thinking at all.

JWs also believe there are more wars now than ever before, crime is worse, this is the worst time in history to be alive, etc.

Offer all the proof showing otherwise- it will do no good. JWs MUST believe what WT tells them.

Those damned pesky facts.....they always get in the way of religious dogma!

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It's not just the WTS...The world is a business, and it's rigged...

by chapstick in

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friends

the wts will collapse along with the vatican very shortly.

here's the real danger (scam) to keep an eye on.. .

matt taibl article from april rolling stone...take heed.

AndDontCallMeShirley

banks have been manipulating global interest rates, in the process messing around with the prices of upward of $500 trillion (that’s trillion, with a “t”) worth of financial instruments

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To put this in perspective, consider this:

According to a recent report in the Financial Post on the precarious pressure-cooker that is the current bond market, total world debt in the form of bonds is equivalent to about $82 trillion dollars USD. The number nearly tripled since 2001 (when it was only $33 trillion U.S.). Compare total debt with total assets: the total value of world equity markets amount to only $44 trillion dollars in USD equivalent. The world thus has a negative networth of about -$38 trillion measured in USD.

Conclusion: the system is hopelessly broken.

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Homosexuality is an abomination!

by Fernando in

moralism,.

which as ray franz said about legalism, also seems to lead to a "morass of inconsistencies".. ray seemingly even went as far as describing "legalism" (or by extension moralism) as apostasy or "a denial of christian faith" (g79 6/8 pp.

an amusing look at the levitical law.. (from bible house of grace).

AndDontCallMeShirley

It's typical of fundamentalists. They claim the entire Bible is god's word and must be followed to the letter....except when the Old Testament rules are such an affront to normal human sensibilities that they must obviously be ignored in lieu of a more sensible, moral approach.

Of course, god cherry-picks his own rules as well- just read the Bible:

Lot's two daughters get him pass-out drunk in order to have sex with him. That's called INCEST! But, the Bible doesn't record one word of reprimand from god. Ironic, considering Lot just fled two cities god destroyed because the people were doing the same thing-sexual immorality.

King David- guilty of murder and adultery. God punished the baby, not David.

Jacob hires a prostitute, who happens to be his daughter-in-law in disguise. God didn't condemn that one either.

It's good that there were rules about the truly important things in life though-like not mixing two different types of thread together.

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Deaf masturbation video or AAWA launch

by usualusername in

which is more embarrassing?.

i am leaning towards aawa because they should know better.. .

uun .

AndDontCallMeShirley

"Nobody was hurt by the masturbation video."

That's not true. I heard that two of the signers developed very bad carpal tunnel syndrome.

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Watchtower Sells More Properties; 20 Henry Street Developer Shelly Listokin Buys

by Gayle in

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http://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives/58164.

does this mean there are 19 more brooklyn properties to sell??

thought i once read there were 34 properties.

AndDontCallMeShirley

WT stands to make well over one billion $$ on their Brooklyn properties. This sale is small potatoes in comparison.

It's nice to see the WT getting richer while it tells all the rest of JWs to "simplify" and learn to live with less. Oh, and don't go to college because there's not enough time before Armageddon to complete a four-year education.

Meanwhile, WT has started building a nice country club in Warwick- which will take 4-6 years to complete.

Hypocrites!

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1947 Awake Says Excommunication is Unbiblical and Pagan!

by Ding in

january 8, 1947 awake!:.

excommunication is "altogether foreign to biblical teachings.".

it's an unbiblical roman catholic teaching by which "you are looked upon with the blackest contempt... being cursed and damned with the devil and his angels.".

AndDontCallMeShirley

I had a discussion with an Elder last year about this. I said that the WT's policy of disfellowshipping was not a "loving arrangement" and was not being applied correctly from a Biblical standpoint. Then I told him that the WT used to condemn the Catholic Church for its policy of excommunication. I e-mailed him this same clipping that Ding posted from the 1947 WT.

I pointed out several things:

1. The WT uses the exact same scriptures today to DF people that it claimed the CC was misapplying!

2. Excommunication has demonic origins

3. Excommunication was used primarily for intimidation, not any supposed preservation of the "cleanliness" of the church.

4. Why does the WT have a policy of DF when they themselves acknowledged in the past that it has no place in true Christianity?

His official answer: "I don't care! I still think it's a loving arrangement."

So much for being open to evidence and doing a little critical thinking!