Posts by AndDontCallMeShirley

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Ironic quote in the 5/14wt lesson "Are you moving ahead with Jehovahs Organization"

by BU2B in

jw
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the whole article makes me ill with its worse than average mind control.. i was going to only include one quote but there are so many doozies that i will post what i feel to be the worst.. from paragraph 6.

"gods organization survives and flourishes on earth because the people who are part of it have his approval.".

the great tribulation has been "so close" for over 120 years of wt history.

AndDontCallMeShirley

Oubliette: All alleged "forward motion" among JWs is completely illusory. They change doctrines periodically to perpetuate the illusion of motion, forward or otherwise

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In WT methodology, going full circle is progress. Look at how many doctrines WT has accepted as "truth", then completely abandoned as false when it gets "new light", then this same doctrine is once again accepted as truth. One big time-wasting, idiotic loop that ended up exactly where WT started- yet it's all spun as "progress" and "keeping up with God's organization".

Frankly, in order to "keep up" with WT, all a JW has to do is stand in one place....give it time: eventually WT will come back to its starting point, and the JW didn't have to expend any effort whatsoever except twiddle his thumbs while he watches WT run circles.

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New financial arrangement is about ownership of the Kingdom Halls and Assembly Halls

by fedup in

we may believe that the wt is having financial problems because of the sell-off that has been happening lately.

however, i think the opposite.

i believe the gb has realized that in today's world the money is in the properties that the sheepies have already paid or are paying for.

AndDontCallMeShirley

The thing that really strikes me about all this. Is that Wt got away with it, with out the slightest bit of resistance.

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It's the predictable result of systematic indoctrination of a group (Jehovah's Witnesses) for decades training them to avoid all critical thoughts or questions. Dumb them down further by telling that same group to avoid higher education and you can tell these people the moon is made of cheese and the only question they have is, "what kind?"

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To the OP's point, the WT is awash in cash right now. The sale of the Brooklyn properties alone netted WT a tidy $1,2 billion dollar profit. Add to that the sale of 14 Branch Offices, the income from Assembly Halls, the new donation arrangement, reduced literature printing, etc, etc., and WT is increasing its cash flow while simultaneously decreasing its expenses. Obligating congregations to a set monthly donation amount which cannot be sustained is the first step to WT's wholesale takeover of properties ILO payments.

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Ironic quote in the 5/14wt lesson "Are you moving ahead with Jehovahs Organization"

by BU2B in

jw
friends

the whole article makes me ill with its worse than average mind control.. i was going to only include one quote but there are so many doozies that i will post what i feel to be the worst.. from paragraph 6.

"gods organization survives and flourishes on earth because the people who are part of it have his approval.".

the great tribulation has been "so close" for over 120 years of wt history.

AndDontCallMeShirley

Also if a religious organization's survival and success have everything to do with God's approval, then how does the WT explain the success of the other groups of a similar age such as the LDS church, the 7th day Adventists

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Ironically, this list could include the IBSA, who were started by Russell and still thrive to this day. By WT dogma, that group should have disappeared years ago because they haven't "progressed" beyond Russell's teachings like WT claims to have done.

And, as you said BU2B, if surviving and thriving are clear signs of God's "approval", WT has certainly been bested by most religions in that department.

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God Says Scripture is Enough

by Perry in

from the 2013 new world translation 2 tim.

all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of god may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.. .

as jw's we must have read that scripture a thousand times.

AndDontCallMeShirley

@ Perry: You can find testimony all over the internet about this. [what Jesus is allegedly doing in people's lives]

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"Well of course there is no way that a person can know such things unless they have been there, seen and tested everything to a conclusion which of course never happens. The testimony of one person cannot spawn testimony in another. Ignorant faith based on brainwashing doesn’t cut it!" -Dougla A. Wallace, author (ex-Mormon)

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@ donny: If God was trying to send a clear message via text, then he has failed miserably.

A most simple point religious people always overlook (or deliberately ignore).

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God Says Scripture is Enough

by Perry in

from the 2013 new world translation 2 tim.

all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of god may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.. .

as jw's we must have read that scripture a thousand times.

AndDontCallMeShirley

@ Perry: We chose to disbelieve God and to believe another

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So why is this time any different than the last time?

I've seen this many times. A person leaves JWs, joins an equally silly cult like the Mormons, or a Bible-thumping Fundamantalist religion, or goes it alone, etc, etc, and declares they've finally figured it all out.

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Believing God is the greatest work in the world. It's dividends are endless because God is endless.

What are the "dividends"?

God didn't invent the Polio vaccine or the Internet. God (if he existed) does nothing for humans but sit idly by as an absentee parent; what humans have now is what humans have gotten through hard work. Why do you credit god with being "the greatest work in the world" when he's does squat for anybody??

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How many Jw's would like to know they are inferior christians according to thier leaders?

by Crazyguy in

most jw's don't know that they are in fact jonadabs and that in the vidication books rutherford came up with this class because he found some christians not as holy as others having part of themselves still stuck in satan's system still wanting to be wordly in some fashion.

so he came up with this class the jonadabs.

i wonder how jw's would react if they were to find this out?

AndDontCallMeShirley

You need the WT...but it doesn't need you:

Watchtower 50 1/15 p. 26 par. 22 Who Will Share in the Final Witness?

"Jehovah’s visible organization can use you, but can get along without you too. But you cannot get along without it. Fruitless ones are eventually pruned off and never missed..."

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WT calls all JWs "sheep", but here's what it thinks about sheep:

"Sheep are interesting creatures — docile, timid, and often plain stupid" --Awake! 3-8-93, p 15

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A "follow up" meeting?!?!

by DATA-DOG in

well, now they want a follow up visit!

when you tell the elders that you have doubts and they say " its okay, we have had our doubts.

having doubts is not apostasy.

AndDontCallMeShirley

DD: WHAT IS THERE TO FOLLOW UP ON???

No doubt the next visit will open with: "Do you feel the Governing Body is directing God's Organization?" "Follow up" is code for, "what can we hang him with?"

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Watchtower Free: Even the cool ones can turn on you in a instant.

The "cool ones" are the most dangerous. Take it from personal experience.

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God Says Scripture is Enough

by Perry in

from the 2013 new world translation 2 tim.

all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of god may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.. .

as jw's we must have read that scripture a thousand times.

AndDontCallMeShirley

@ Perry: Oh I tried for 40 years to be the man that I imagined

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"Do or do not. There is no try." --- Yoda

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You see, Perry, your failure is fully attributable to the fact that you were only trying instead of doing, all the while waiting for god/the tooth fairy/fill-in- the-blank-with-your-fictional-character-of-choice here, to do your work for you. Even if the whole 'god does the heavy lifting for you' concept was true, why would you feel any desire to serve a god who created you so woefully inadequate that you can't get yourself through life without his having to change your diapers for you everyday???

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@ Perry: Oh I am a sinner alright.

How does your self-flagellation serve you??? Is it an easy out instead of just acknowledging you still have work to do?

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Elders Can't Simply Go Back to Being Ministerial Servants...

by TTATTelder in

as a currently serving "awake" elder caught in the web of family, spouse, employer, etc.

etc..... i have often wondered why an elder cannot simply drop back to ministerial servant if he so desired (because of stress, circumstances, health).. on paper a currently serving elder in good standing more than qualifies to be a ms. that is obviously the case by their own hierarchy structure and definitions of qualification.. but...under their current arrangement....theoretically a man could give a district convention talk one week to 10,000 people, step down as an elder the following day due to stress, and not "qualify" to give a 5 min part on the next week's service meeting in front of 50 people.

doesn't make a lot of sense.. so my question is this.....why do you think the wt forces a man to drop all the way "down" to publisher if he no longer wants to serve as an elder?.

AndDontCallMeShirley

Because WT must get its pound of flesh, and humiliation of the individual is of utmost importance to WT's methodology. Allowing an elder to simply step down to MS wouldn't serve WT's purpose of completely eviscerating a man, so it knocks him down to the rank of publisher/also-ran/has been/loser to teach him a lesson.

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Clean the JUNK out of your vocabulary and it follows, you will clean up your ability to THINK

by Terry in

there are certain "junk" words that litter our brain, pollute our vocabulary, and play fast and loose with our reasoning.. one of those junk words is spirit.. the words means nothing, but extrapolations of its metaphorical pretense are everywhere!.

we have five sense connected with our body link to brain.. hearing, vision, taste, touch, sense of smell.. with those five we are in touch with things as they exist.. reality is what it is.. through technology, science has been able to amplify our senses with microscopes, telescopes, x-rays, mri's, space probes, atom smashers, etc.. but--i assure you--none of this has produced evidence of "spirit.".

the last thing that happens when you die is this.

AndDontCallMeShirley

RELIGION's method of arriving at "truth" is :

1. Smoke, inject or swab a hallucinogenic substance,

2. Latch onto the first wacky idea that enters your brain,

3. make a doctrine out of it,

4. claim god gave you the idea,

5. force/hornschwaggle/dupe lots of people into believing you,

6. condemn everyone else who doesn't buy into it (i.e. anyone with an IQ higher than a salad bar).