http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html?hpt=hp_t2.
"a 9-year-old girl learning to fire a submachine gun accidentally killed her instructor at a shooting range when the weapon recoiled over her shoulder, according to arizona authorities.
another reason to go against those arguing that young children should be taught how to use guns.
bohm:
a loaded uzi and a pair of skis are approximately equally dangerous in the hands of a 9 year old. got it.
that make perfect sense
That's not what I'm saying bohm, and you know it.
It's hilarious watching the strawman you've created kick the shit out of you.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html?hpt=hp_t2.
"a 9-year-old girl learning to fire a submachine gun accidentally killed her instructor at a shooting range when the weapon recoiled over her shoulder, according to arizona authorities.
another reason to go against those arguing that young children should be taught how to use guns.
You can't be serious here. You're not really comparing an assault weapon with a skateboard right?
No, I am not making that comparison.
What I am saying is that there are a lot of children's/young adult activities are dangerous, some bordering on/or outrightly "extreme sports". But that does not keep parents from allowing their children to participate in those activities. Ever watch the Olympics? You'll see very young teens (or younger) doing aerobatics on skis off of jumps that are 50' high while they fly off them at 40 mph. Do you see anyone moving to ban young people from aerial skiing simply because it's dangerous? No.
Ever watch young teens at events similar to "X Games" doing extreme skateboarding? Motocross races? Highly dangerous, potentially lethal sports, yet no one is clamoring for laws to be passed to stop it by enacting blanket, one-size-fits-all bans saying no young person should be allowed to do it under any circumstances.
My point is that tragedies like this one invariably result in a knee-jerk reaction by people so polarized they shelve it into a category that;s unique unto itself. I try to find the middle ground, weigh the pros and cons, see it from both sides before painting the issue with a broad brush.
Where I grew up there were rural areas where children learned to hunt at a very early age. Sometimes hunting was the primary way the family provided food for themselves. Would anyone argue that those children should be banned from hunting or handling firearms until they reach age 18 or older, simply because no 11 year old should ever handle a firearm for any reason?
That being said, we don't know the family in this story's background. Maybe the parents are idiots. Maybe this is the first time the daughter has ever shot a gun. I don't know. Perhaps this was a stupid act based on some really bad decisions on both the parents' and instructor's part and could've been avoided by using common sense. Time will tell.
What I'm not into is using one accident like this one to promote agendsa that affect millions of people who are acting responsibly.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html?hpt=hp_t2.
"a 9-year-old girl learning to fire a submachine gun accidentally killed her instructor at a shooting range when the weapon recoiled over her shoulder, according to arizona authorities.
another reason to go against those arguing that young children should be taught how to use guns.
I know of dozens of people who would think this story was totally fine. If you can't even drive until you're in the middle of your teens, you shouldn't be firing any guns
Agreed.
The problem is, when a story like this makes the news, the gun control advocates want to take firearms away from adults, too. I believe reasonable limits, or outright rules against children handling firearms, are not a bad thing.
I'd also like to clarify: I'm not saying handing this 9 year-old a gun was a good idea. But, reasonable precautions were taken to make sure she had instruction. It's always easy to run "they should not have done that" scenarios after an accident occurs.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html?hpt=hp_t2.
"a 9-year-old girl learning to fire a submachine gun accidentally killed her instructor at a shooting range when the weapon recoiled over her shoulder, according to arizona authorities.
another reason to go against those arguing that young children should be taught how to use guns.
Those are ridiculous analogies ADCMS. A person learning to ski can be supervised and given instruction that would limit any danger, for example, you would not send a beginning skier down a black diamond run.
I see, so if she had killed the instructor with a .22 pistol ("bunny slope") instead of an Uzi ("black diamond run") it would count only as an unforseeable accident?
You must not have read the story, LisaRose. Your argument falls flat, she was "supervised and given instruction that would limit any danger". As I said, had the parents handed their daughter an Uzi, or any other firearm, and told her to go play, all these arguments people are making would be completely valid when the inevitable accident occurred. The fact is she was being instructed by a licensed professional in a controlled setting, a firing range.
Accidents happen.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html?hpt=hp_t2.
"a 9-year-old girl learning to fire a submachine gun accidentally killed her instructor at a shooting range when the weapon recoiled over her shoulder, according to arizona authorities.
another reason to go against those arguing that young children should be taught how to use guns.
Flawed logic caedes.
Accidents happen, whether through deliberate misuse of something or if all safety precautions have been observed.
A firearm is a tool (whether for hunting, self-defense or target shooting) and has an inherent risk in using it. Power saws and air nailers are also tools that have an inherent risk in their use. And, even when done safely, accidents still happen.
The difference is when a carpenter accidentally cuts off a finger or hand with a power saw, no one begins clamoring for the banning of power saws.
If this girl was being instructed in the use of an air nailer, and she accidentally killed her instructor with that air nailer, would you use the same argument you used above??
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html?hpt=hp_t2.
"a 9-year-old girl learning to fire a submachine gun accidentally killed her instructor at a shooting range when the weapon recoiled over her shoulder, according to arizona authorities.
another reason to go against those arguing that young children should be taught how to use guns.
"There are ways to reduce the chance a 9 year old girl will shoot someone in the face with an uzzi accidentally kill herself colliding with a tree while downhill skiing: Dont give her a loaded uzzi and ask her to shoot it pair of skis and tell her to slalom."
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So the next time we hear a story about a 9 year-old who gets into the driver's seat of the family car and accidentally kills her dad by running him over in the driveway, I expect to hear a lot of JWN posters call for the banning of automobiles. The only way to make cars safe is to make sure no one has one.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html?hpt=hp_t2.
"a 9-year-old girl learning to fire a submachine gun accidentally killed her instructor at a shooting range when the weapon recoiled over her shoulder, according to arizona authorities.
another reason to go against those arguing that young children should be taught how to use guns.
It's not as if the parents just handed their 9 year-old an Uzi and told her to go out and play.
She was receiving instruction by a professional in a controlled setting.
Sometimes accidents just happen regardless of all the safety precautions taken.
Skateboards, archery, motorcycles, monkey bars, bikes, downhill skiing and gymnastics are also dangerous kid activities that carry varying degrees of risk (sometimes a high degree/potentially lethal).
Try as you might to make everything risk-free, it just isn't realistic. It's always easy to dissect, criticize and condemn in hindsight.
the letter has appeared at last - just for uk.
it is a money grab for the new bethel which has been approved.
there is a video to be shown - just watched it - brief summary of uk bethels, why current one is too small, why we need money to build a new one.
Finance - Watchtower Revenues Near $1 Billion Dollars
The Watchtower made it into New York’s top 40 corporations in 2001 with revenues touching $1 Billion dollars per annum. When you add this to the real estate they own, the Bethels and the Kingdom Halls, it probably makes them one of the richest printing companies in the world. Also see Donations.
Newsday.com, article on the top-40 New York corporations in 2001.
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No doubt WT's revenues are even higher now.
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A Meeting Marked by Unity and Thrilling Plans
... Guy Pierce of the Governing Body spoke next and acknowledged that all present were curious about our construction projects in New York State. He introduced a video showing developments at Wallkill, Patterson, and recently acquired sites in Warwick and Tuxedo, New York. At Wallkill, a new residence due to be completed in 2014 will provide over 300 additional rooms.
There are plans to develop a 248-acre (100 ha) property at Warwick. "Although we are not yet certain of Jehovah’s will regarding Warwick," said Brother Pierce, "we are proceeding to develop the site with the intention of relocating the world headquarters of Jehovah’s Witnesses there." Plans are also being made to use a 50-acre (20 ha) parcel of land situated six miles (10 km) north of Warwick to facilitate the staging of machinery and building material. "Once construction is permitted, we hope to complete the entire project within four years," said Brother Pierce. "Then our property in Brooklyn can be sold."
"Has the Governing Body changed its mind about the closeness of the great tribulation?" asked Brother Pierce. "Not at all," he answered. "If the great tribulation interrupts our plans, that will be wonderful, absolutely wonderful!"
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Jehovah isn't sure what he's doing with all this real estate development, but go ahead and donate anyway...
transcript of the talk from the 2014 uk district convention (aug 2014).. sunday morning.. symposium: anticipate future kingdom blessings!
(part 6 "new scrolls").
(speaker not known).
Posted by a JWN member ("Watchtower Free"?) here a few days ago (sorry, I can't recall the thread):
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1) The word 'New' does not appear in Revelation 20:12
2) The scrolls are not "new teachings", they are a basis of judgement for those resurrected.
3) The scrolls are opened AFTER Satan is destroyed - not during Christ's 1000 year reign!
transcript of the talk from the 2014 uk district convention (aug 2014).. sunday morning.. symposium: anticipate future kingdom blessings!
(part 6 "new scrolls").
(speaker not known).
Throughout history, Jehovah has always guided his people with appropriate decisions to save lives
NOVEMBER 14, 2013 | PHILIPPINES
Super Typhoon Haiyan Pummels Central Philippines
MANILA, Philippines — Super Typhoon Haiyan (called Yolanda in the Philippines), one of the strongest storms ever to make landfall, ripped through the Philippines on November 8, 2013.
As of November 13, 2013, the Philippines branch office of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Manila reported that 27 Witnesses have been confirmed dead. Well over 100 homes of the Witnesses and five places of worship were destroyed.
http://www.jw.org/en/news/by-region/asia/philippines/super-typhoon-haiyan/
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These JWs died at the Kingdom Hall when the building was destroyed during the typhoon. Why? Because that's where the GB told the brothers to go!!!
I guess Jehovah was on vacation during this event and was not available to offer any protection.
For more than two hundred years earlier those Israelites had served as Egyptian slaves. Now, they were free.
Conveniently, the talk fails to mention that being under Jehovah's arrangement for just a few days resulted in the Israelites wanting to go back to Egypt and becomes slaves to Pharoah again !
Egypt: 1
Jehovah: 0
