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  HOW TO AVOID THE A-HOLE SPIRIT OF SOME HERE...

  by DATA-DOG in

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  1) take meds for your megalomania and delusions of grandeur.. .

  suggestions welcome.. .

  dd.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  BOTR: I don't make dumbass comments....Join the Politburo.

  I think that fits within the definition of "dumbass comment".
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  9yr old girl kills her gun instructor with an uzi

  by EndofMysteries in

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  http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html?hpt=hp_t2.

  "a 9-year-old girl learning to fire a submachine gun accidentally killed her instructor at a shooting range when the weapon recoiled over her shoulder, according to arizona authorities.

  another reason to go against those arguing that young children should be taught how to use guns.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  Long barrel shotguns are dramatically less dangerous than Uzi sub-machine guns....They are also a legitimate tool for civilians to hunt with. An Uzi has no place outside of military use.

  Agreed.

  That's why it's a Class III firearm and not available to the general public. The only place most people will ever see or fire an Uzi is at a gun range, like this one, that has a Class III permit and qualified instructors.

  I get the impression that many posting here think Uzi's are widely available, every American owns one, and carries it with them wherever they go. Not true.

  Regardless, after watching the video, it's obvious she was not qualified to handle this gun and the instructor should have seen that. A tragedy.

  Long barrel shotguns are dramatically less dangerous...unless Dick Chaney is wielding one.

  Good one.
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  HOW TO AVOID THE A-HOLE SPIRIT OF SOME HERE...

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  1) take meds for your megalomania and delusions of grandeur.. .

  suggestions welcome.. .

  dd.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  Paris: Of the highest IQ's in the scientific community, people in advanced hard sciences, like math and physics, 7% of this tiny group are believers

  This means 93% are not believers.

  Failed argument, Paris.

  Paris: DJS and Shirley - You are both determined to

  (1) Be Right, no matter what. ( how very JW of you )

  (2) Denigrate any believer as not as "smart or well educated" as you are.

  Failed on both claims. I neither said nor implied either of your ridiculous assertions.
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  HOW TO AVOID THE A-HOLE SPIRIT OF SOME HERE...

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  1) take meds for your megalomania and delusions of grandeur.. .

  suggestions welcome.. .

  dd.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  BOTR: It also strikes me that this is particularly male behavior.

  BOTR believes she's intellectually superior and obviously a sexist...awesome combination.
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  9yr old girl kills her gun instructor with an uzi

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html?hpt=hp_t2.

  "a 9-year-old girl learning to fire a submachine gun accidentally killed her instructor at a shooting range when the weapon recoiled over her shoulder, according to arizona authorities.

  another reason to go against those arguing that young children should be taught how to use guns.

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  Olympic Gold Medalist Kim Rhode

  As the youngest person to ever represent the U.S. on the Olympic Shooting Team and the youngest woman for any country in the world to make an Olympic shooting team, Kim has worked hard to achieve her dream. The road to the Olympics began at the age of 10. Kim practiced every day after school, sometimes until 9 or 10 o'clock at night and getting up at 4 am to complete her homework. A typical day of practice is 4 to 6 hours every single day. She has been training for 21 years. Her early training put her in the history books as the youngest girl to break 100 straight in American skeet at 12 years old.

  http://www.oaktreegunclub.com/spotlight/kim_rhode.asp

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  What were these parents, coaches and Olympic officials thinking? Letting a 10 year-old girl anywhere within the vicinity of a firearm ! They should all be arrested. It doesn't matter that she was being supervised and trained by professionals.

  There should be a law banning everyone from training to be an Olympic Team shooter until they are 21 years old. Period.

  I wonder if she, as a skinny, weak 10 year-old girl, even had the strength to pull the trigger by herself ? Or, did she have to "fiddle" with it?
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  9yr old girl kills her gun instructor with an uzi

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html?hpt=hp_t2.

  "a 9-year-old girl learning to fire a submachine gun accidentally killed her instructor at a shooting range when the weapon recoiled over her shoulder, according to arizona authorities.

  another reason to go against those arguing that young children should be taught how to use guns.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  bohm:

  a loaded uzi and a pair of skis are approximately equally dangerous in the hands of a 9 year old. got it.

  that make perfect sense

  That's not what I'm saying bohm, and you know it.

  It's hilarious watching the strawman you've created kick the shit out of you.
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  9yr old girl kills her gun instructor with an uzi

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html?hpt=hp_t2.

  "a 9-year-old girl learning to fire a submachine gun accidentally killed her instructor at a shooting range when the weapon recoiled over her shoulder, according to arizona authorities.

  another reason to go against those arguing that young children should be taught how to use guns.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  You can't be serious here. You're not really comparing an assault weapon with a skateboard right?

  No, I am not making that comparison.

  What I am saying is that there are a lot of children's/young adult activities are dangerous, some bordering on/or outrightly "extreme sports". But that does not keep parents from allowing their children to participate in those activities. Ever watch the Olympics? You'll see very young teens (or younger) doing aerobatics on skis off of jumps that are 50' high while they fly off them at 40 mph. Do you see anyone moving to ban young people from aerial skiing simply because it's dangerous? No.

  Ever watch young teens at events similar to "X Games" doing extreme skateboarding? Motocross races? Highly dangerous, potentially lethal sports, yet no one is clamoring for laws to be passed to stop it by enacting blanket, one-size-fits-all bans saying no young person should be allowed to do it under any circumstances.

  My point is that tragedies like this one invariably result in a knee-jerk reaction by people so polarized they shelve it into a category that;s unique unto itself. I try to find the middle ground, weigh the pros and cons, see it from both sides before painting the issue with a broad brush.

  Where I grew up there were rural areas where children learned to hunt at a very early age. Sometimes hunting was the primary way the family provided food for themselves. Would anyone argue that those children should be banned from hunting or handling firearms until they reach age 18 or older, simply because no 11 year old should ever handle a firearm for any reason?

  That being said, we don't know the family in this story's background. Maybe the parents are idiots. Maybe this is the first time the daughter has ever shot a gun. I don't know. Perhaps this was a stupid act based on some really bad decisions on both the parents' and instructor's part and could've been avoided by using common sense. Time will tell.

  What I'm not into is using one accident like this one to promote agendsa that affect millions of people who are acting responsibly.
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  9yr old girl kills her gun instructor with an uzi

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html?hpt=hp_t2.

  "a 9-year-old girl learning to fire a submachine gun accidentally killed her instructor at a shooting range when the weapon recoiled over her shoulder, according to arizona authorities.

  another reason to go against those arguing that young children should be taught how to use guns.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  I know of dozens of people who would think this story was totally fine. If you can't even drive until you're in the middle of your teens, you shouldn't be firing any guns

  Agreed.

  The problem is, when a story like this makes the news, the gun control advocates want to take firearms away from adults, too. I believe reasonable limits, or outright rules against children handling firearms, are not a bad thing.

  I'd also like to clarify: I'm not saying handing this 9 year-old a gun was a good idea. But, reasonable precautions were taken to make sure she had instruction. It's always easy to run "they should not have done that" scenarios after an accident occurs.
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  9yr old girl kills her gun instructor with an uzi

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html?hpt=hp_t2.

  "a 9-year-old girl learning to fire a submachine gun accidentally killed her instructor at a shooting range when the weapon recoiled over her shoulder, according to arizona authorities.

  another reason to go against those arguing that young children should be taught how to use guns.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  Those are ridiculous analogies ADCMS. A person learning to ski can be supervised and given instruction that would limit any danger, for example, you would not send a beginning skier down a black diamond run.

  I see, so if she had killed the instructor with a .22 pistol ("bunny slope") instead of an Uzi ("black diamond run") it would count only as an unforseeable accident?

  You must not have read the story, LisaRose. Your argument falls flat, she was "supervised and given instruction that would limit any danger". As I said, had the parents handed their daughter an Uzi, or any other firearm, and told her to go play, all these arguments people are making would be completely valid when the inevitable accident occurred. The fact is she was being instructed by a licensed professional in a controlled setting, a firing range.

  Accidents happen.
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  9yr old girl kills her gun instructor with an uzi

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html?hpt=hp_t2.

  "a 9-year-old girl learning to fire a submachine gun accidentally killed her instructor at a shooting range when the weapon recoiled over her shoulder, according to arizona authorities.

  another reason to go against those arguing that young children should be taught how to use guns.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  Flawed logic caedes.

  Accidents happen, whether through deliberate misuse of something or if all safety precautions have been observed.

  A firearm is a tool (whether for hunting, self-defense or target shooting) and has an inherent risk in using it. Power saws and air nailers are also tools that have an inherent risk in their use. And, even when done safely, accidents still happen.

  The difference is when a carpenter accidentally cuts off a finger or hand with a power saw, no one begins clamoring for the banning of power saws.

  If this girl was being instructed in the use of an air nailer, and she accidentally killed her instructor with that air nailer, would you use the same argument you used above??