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  9yr old girl kills her gun instructor with an uzi

  by EndofMysteries in

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  http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html?hpt=hp_t2.

  "a 9-year-old girl learning to fire a submachine gun accidentally killed her instructor at a shooting range when the weapon recoiled over her shoulder, according to arizona authorities.

  another reason to go against those arguing that young children should be taught how to use guns.

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  BB: While I often agree with your general observations, your position on guns is always pro, no matter the circumstances.

  Maybe you should re-read my posts. This discussion in not about being pro-gun or not; it's about whether it was appropriate for a 9 year-old to be allowed to handle a fully automatic weapon.

  As Simon and others said at the outset, they wouldn't really have a problem if this girl was being allowed to shoot a hunting rifle, a .22 or a shotgun. The issue from the start has revolved around the Uzi. As I have said numerous times, and which you and others turn a deaf ear to, is some serious errors in judgment were made in this case. I watched the video. Obviously she was not qualified to shoot this gun and the parents and instructor should have seen that and opted out of the exercise. What part of this do you not understand? Show me one place in this thread where I've said I think children should operate full auto firearms and these parents and the instructor made a wise decision.

  Read my posts instead of reading into them.

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  to bohm: I've already answered you. You've chosen to ignore my answers completely and you're repeating a mantra over a dead issue. Dead becuse it never existed in the first place except in your imagination. Move on.
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  HOW TO AVOID THE A-HOLE SPIRIT OF SOME HERE...

  by DATA-DOG in

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  1) take meds for your megalomania and delusions of grandeur.. .

  suggestions welcome.. .

  dd.

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  I would suggest, if anyone is so unsure that they cannot take their beliefs being held up to the spotlight, they keep them to themselves.

  Boil it all down and that is the core issue.
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  9yr old girl kills her gun instructor with an uzi

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html?hpt=hp_t2.

  "a 9-year-old girl learning to fire a submachine gun accidentally killed her instructor at a shooting range when the weapon recoiled over her shoulder, according to arizona authorities.

  another reason to go against those arguing that young children should be taught how to use guns.

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  bohm: Yes, it appears I may be confusing you with ADCMS from page 2 whom my comment was directed to.

  How does my simply giving a synopsis of the facts of the incident get translated into the idea I agree with what was done?

  Maybe spend more time reading my posts and less time reading into them.
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  HULK HOGAN will he convert to Jehovah's Witnesses?

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
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  .from jw instagram .

  http://instagram.com/jw_witnesses.

  caption:" a few sisters were out in the tract campaign in clearwater, florida this morning and placed a tract with wrestling personality hulk hogan.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  When I was in Junior High School in the late 1960's I had to tell the Gym Teacher that I could not wrestle in Gym class because it was against my religion.

  You should've gone to Bethel. I've heard "wrestling" was quite popular there...still is. Wrestling is not against your religion in Bethel.
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  HULK HOGAN will he convert to Jehovah's Witnesses?

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
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  .from jw instagram .

  http://instagram.com/jw_witnesses.

  caption:" a few sisters were out in the tract campaign in clearwater, florida this morning and placed a tract with wrestling personality hulk hogan.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  sparky: Has any goddamned stupid publisher posted a photo on instagram of them placing a tract with a starving homeless person dressed in rags and emaciated from hunger?

  Homeless people do not have computers to log on to JW.Org, nor do they have money to donate to WT's real estate ventures. Giving them a tract, despite it's so-called purpose of guiding them to "truth" and "everlasting life", is a waste of WT resources.

  Plus, a picture taken of a homeless person holding a tract doesn't get a JW the same attention from their JW peers as The Hulk holding a tract.

  Only those with Internet access and money deserve life.
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  9yr old girl kills her gun instructor with an uzi

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html?hpt=hp_t2.

  "a 9-year-old girl learning to fire a submachine gun accidentally killed her instructor at a shooting range when the weapon recoiled over her shoulder, according to arizona authorities.

  another reason to go against those arguing that young children should be taught how to use guns.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  Caedes claimed this was not an accident. Well, if not an accident, then it was deliberate. Is anyone going to go down that path?

  For those here who don't own a dictionary (bohm, caedes- listen up), here is the definition of "accident":

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  1 a : an unforeseen and unplanned event or circumstance

  b : lack of intention or necessity : chance <met by accident rather than by design>

  2 a : an unfortunate event resulting especially from carelessness or ignorance

  b : an unexpected and medically important bodily event especially when injurious <a cerebrovascular accident>

  c : an unexpected happening causing loss or injury which is not due to any fault or misconduct on the part of the person injured but for which legal relief may be sought.

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  If this incident does not fall within the definition of an "accident" then what does? Unless you are going to argue that the end result was certain (that someone would lose their life) but all parties involved decided to go ahead anyway just for the fun of it. That would be deliberate.

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  The simple fact of the matter is this: neither the girl, her parents, the shooting range owner or the shooting instructor did anything illegal. Did one or all of them fail to use discretion and common sense? Most certainly. If this is a problem that needs to be addressed with legislation, then I have no problem with that. I am not advocating that children be allowed to shoot military weapons. . How many times do I have to say this?
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  9yr old girl kills her gun instructor with an uzi

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html?hpt=hp_t2.

  "a 9-year-old girl learning to fire a submachine gun accidentally killed her instructor at a shooting range when the weapon recoiled over her shoulder, according to arizona authorities.

  another reason to go against those arguing that young children should be taught how to use guns.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  It was an accident which could only happend because someone gave this girl a loaded uzi and told her to shoot it.

  A law preventing something this outrageously stupid would also very likely have prevented this accident.

  I've stated a number of times that this was an avoidable accident, I do not advocate that children shoot this kind of weapon, and I have no problem with laws that say as much.

  What the hell are you still arguing about???????
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  9yr old girl kills her gun instructor with an uzi

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html?hpt=hp_t2.

  "a 9-year-old girl learning to fire a submachine gun accidentally killed her instructor at a shooting range when the weapon recoiled over her shoulder, according to arizona authorities.

  another reason to go against those arguing that young children should be taught how to use guns.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  What I would say is that you do seem to be defending the indefensible by claiming this was just an accident

  If it wasn't an accident, then the only other option is that it was deliberate. I guess we'll soon read a story about the authorities charging this 9 year-old girl for murder in the first degree.

  So far it looks like the only people who have a say in the US is irresponsible gun owners and their knee-jerk aversity to any kind of gun controls whatsoever.

  Do your homework, Caedes. The states that have the most stringent gun control laws also have the highest gun crime rates. And, to refute your ridiculous assertion, by and large responsible, law abiding gun owners are the majority...they just don't make the evening news like the nutjobs do.

  You were the one claiming that an accident with a nail gun or car or skis is the same as one with a military grade weapon.

  I'm not going to argue with you about something I didn't say. You're too obtuse to get it (or it doesn't serve your purpose to get it).
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  HOW TO AVOID THE A-HOLE SPIRIT OF SOME HERE...

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  1) take meds for your megalomania and delusions of grandeur.. .

  suggestions welcome.. .

  dd.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  Viv: Can you cite any specific examples?

  DOT: As Viviane said, I too would like to see a specific example from FlyingHighNow.

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  Guys: anecdotes, heresay and off-the-cuff comments (aka, "bulls**t) are evidentiary examples. This thread is rife with them from FHN and others. The only thing that is categorically ignored by FHN, et al, is the hard evidence presented (which has been amply supplied) undermining their baseless claims.

  Don't hold your breath. Theists have a strong aversion to evidence.

  BTW- I'm with On The Way Out: unless asked, I don't share my views on atheism or Bible subjects unless asked. Even then I say very little.

  FHN: we know you base your conclusion on more than the statistics of what scientists believe or don't believe, so why the hysteria over the statistics? Edited to add, maybe "spazzing out" is more accurate then the word hysteria.

  Statistics were supplied as part of the discussion. Posting them hardly constitutes "hysteria" or "spazzing out".

  FHN: "maybe "spazzing out" is more accurate then the word hysteria": No, it isn't. It's equally as absurd.
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  9yr old girl kills her gun instructor with an uzi

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html?hpt=hp_t2.

  "a 9-year-old girl learning to fire a submachine gun accidentally killed her instructor at a shooting range when the weapon recoiled over her shoulder, according to arizona authorities.

  another reason to go against those arguing that young children should be taught how to use guns.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  Just because someone disagrees with you does not mean their logic is faulty, however there may be a fault in your logic if you cannot see that indiscrimate military grade weapons do not sit in the same category as cars, motorbikes, power tools or any of the other things that could potentially cause a fatal accident.

  I didn't say that.

  Try reading all of my posts before blasting me:

  "Regardless, after watching the video, it's obvious she was not qualified to handle this gun and the instructor should have seen that. A tragedy."

  "I'm not advocating that 9 year-olds should be firing automatic weapons. I think some are assuming that I am."