A recent BOE Letter seems to validate metatron's astute observations:
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http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/281401/1/Changes-in-DF-reporting#.U7YWx43n_Sc
AndDontCallMeShirley
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Why The Watchtower Must Abolish Judicial Committees
by metatron insome years ago, i upset some crypto-watchtower apologists by stating that the organization must eventually either abolish the co arrangement or radically change it because it creates a direct chain of liability by chain of command and makes them a hierarchy (without catholic level assets or influence to support such a structure).. i would make a similar argument with regard to judicial committees.
i do not contend that the watchtower would get rid of these repellent anachronisms simply because they are unethical in form and use but rather that they represent an increasing liability/obstacle to the organization's survival.. why?.
1) such committees tend to open up all sorts of legal challenges and dangers.
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9yr old girl kills her gun instructor with an uzi
by EndofMysteries inhttp://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html?hpt=hp_t2.
"a 9-year-old girl learning to fire a submachine gun accidentally killed her instructor at a shooting range when the weapon recoiled over her shoulder, according to arizona authorities.
another reason to go against those arguing that young children should be taught how to use guns.
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AndDontCallMeShirley
Caedes: This is your post where you make a slippery slope argument that banning children from firing uzis would lead to banning skiing and cars.
It's not a slippery slope because there is no slope. You are being willfully obtuse, Caedes.
I have never said what you claim I have, but you're going to believe whatever you want to believe. I can't do anything about that.
You are cherry-picking to make fallacious arguments and attributing them to me. You conveniently ignore a following post of mine after the one you cherry-picked. "ilikecheese" said:
I know of dozens of people who would think this story was totally fine. If you can't even drive until you're in the middle of your teens, you shouldn't be firing any guns
ADCMS replied:
"Agreed.
The problem is, when a story like this makes the news, the gun control advocates want to take firearms away from adults, too. I believe reasonable limits, or outright rules against children handling firearms, are not a bad thing."
Note that I did not limit my comment only to children firing Uzi's, as you claim. I used the broad term of "firearms", which further undermines your disingenuous assertions, Caedes.
If you have to cherry-pick, misrepresent and lie to make your arguments, Caedes, maybe you shouldn't be making them.
Read my posts instead of reading into them.
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HOW TO AVOID THE A-HOLE SPIRIT OF SOME HERE...
by DATA-DOG in1) take meds for your megalomania and delusions of grandeur.. .
suggestions welcome.. .
dd.
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AndDontCallMeShirley
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- Mark Twain
7% of Atheists do not believe in God but do believe in a god.
Then, by definition, they are not atheists.
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9yr old girl kills her gun instructor with an uzi
by EndofMysteries inhttp://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html?hpt=hp_t2.
"a 9-year-old girl learning to fire a submachine gun accidentally killed her instructor at a shooting range when the weapon recoiled over her shoulder, according to arizona authorities.
another reason to go against those arguing that young children should be taught how to use guns.
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AndDontCallMeShirley
caedes: Your knee jerk reaction was to claim that it was just an accident so we should do nothing
Show me where I said this.
In fact, in my post above (#3359), which I doubt you even read, I said this: "I'm not saying that the instructor or parents exercised good judgment. This incident will perhaps result in some changes, either by legislation or other means, that will prevent a repeat of this type of tragedy in the future. I hope it does."
You're so focused on firing off a glib retort you don't even absorb what I say...just like you've done with the rest of my posts.
Caedes: Should we ban small children from other dangerous activities? Personally I think each case should be looked at on it's own merits.
This is what I've said throughout the thread. Yet when you say it it's 'profound', when I say it you don't see it.
Caedes: your way of life is too dangerous to tolerate?
My way of life? You don't know anything about me. Do you live in the USA, Caedes?
Caedes: I'm afraid I was unaware that people let children engage in such a stupidly dangerous activity before this story broke
People who do this kind of thing are a very small minority. Responsible gun owners like myself are just as upset as everyone else. Stop painting everyone with the same brush and making sweeping generalizations about millions of people.
Read the comments below this follow-up story. Gun owners agree the decisions made leading to this incident were highly irresponsible. It also reveals your claims as completely baseless and judgmental:
https://news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-girl-said-uzi-too-much-her-160913332.html
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Finally, We have a Easy To Understand Explanation of the " New Light on Governing Body" and their Power Grab from Anointed JWs!
by BucketShopBill inask any jehovah's witness you happen to see to explain the recent changes to the anointed and faithful slave, most have no ideas how they are robbing all authority from the anointed jws to keep for themselves.
they can't even explain the "overlapping generation", how can we expect them to catch the errors this dogma is teaching them.
this article is written by someone who knows about jws and explains in details how bad this doctrine is, it's full of holes!.
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BSB: Most JWs still don't understand the changes
The truth is, JWs don't have to know anything about their beliefs or be able to explain them.
"Listen, obey, and be blessed" is all that matters.
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Furthermore, the anointed have never really been important to WT nor have they had any real influence. WT has openly admitted this:
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partakers. This is the number of baptized individuals who partake of the emblems at the Memorial worldwide. Does this total represent the number of anointed ones on earth? Not necessarily. A number of factors—including past religious beliefs or even mental or emotional imbalance—might cause some to assume mistakenly that they have the heavenly calling. We thus have no way of knowing the exact number of anointed ones on earth; nor do we need to know. The Governing Body does not keep a list of all partakers, for it does not maintain a global network of anointed ones." -W 8/15/11, p22, QFR
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9yr old girl kills her gun instructor with an uzi
by EndofMysteries inhttp://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html?hpt=hp_t2.
"a 9-year-old girl learning to fire a submachine gun accidentally killed her instructor at a shooting range when the weapon recoiled over her shoulder, according to arizona authorities.
another reason to go against those arguing that young children should be taught how to use guns.
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Caedes: I hate to break it to you but comparing levels of gun control between states in the US is laughable, try comparing with japan or the UK if you want to see the effects of genuine gun control.
Are we talking about gun control as it relates to overall violent crime rates? I hate to break it to you, Caedes, but the availability of guns does not correlate to more crime. You cite the UK as an example. Okay, it is true that they have stricter gun control laws than the USA. But, their violent crime rates are greater than the USA.
Unless, of course, you are arguing that gun crime is bad while any other violent crime is acceptable, so we should only focus myopically on gun crime and turn a blind eye to overall violent crime.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooa98FHuaU0&feature=player_embedded
Furthermore, my comparison between states [in the USA] is not "laughable", as you claim. If I want to know how much sushi people in Boston eat only compared to how much sushi people in Los Angeles eat, it is irrelevant how much sushi people in Tokyo eat. It has nothing to do with the comparison I'm making.
I'm comparing apples to apples; you are comparing apples to oranges.
For example: DC (has a handgun ban, 35.8 murders per 100,000)... Vermont has the least restrictive gun laws in the country (don't even need a permit to conceal carry) and their murder rate is 2.6 per 100,000
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9yr old girl kills her gun instructor with an uzi
by EndofMysteries inhttp://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html?hpt=hp_t2.
"a 9-year-old girl learning to fire a submachine gun accidentally killed her instructor at a shooting range when the weapon recoiled over her shoulder, according to arizona authorities.
another reason to go against those arguing that young children should be taught how to use guns.
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if people asked for gun control it was the same as asking for cars or skiing to be banned. Would you like me to quote your posts 3266, 3267 and 3268 as evidence?
Yes, you may quote what I said if you think it'll help you, caedes. I'm not sure if you are being deliberately obtuse or simply can't see the point I'm making.
What I'm saying is this: the knee-jerk reaction when an incident like this occurs is: guns are dangerous, therefore no one should have guns.
My point is, how far does the argument go? If people want to outlaw guns because they are "dangerous", then what else will be banned based solely on that criteria? If something is banned simply because it is perceived by special interest groups as "dangerous", then almost anything could be banned, right?
I'm not saying that the instructor or parents exercised good judgment. This incident will perhaps result in some changes, either by legislation or other means, that will prevent a repeat of this type of tragedy in the future. I hope it does.
I think one thing is true, caedes: you are going to believe whatever you want to believe despite what I say. I'm not going to box with you.
caedes: TD, I would be interested to know what the effects of the lower powered cartridge have on the mechanism, presumably a lower power cartridge results in less muzzle climb? Is there a mechanism in the uzi to minimise the muzzle climb problem? Is it possible that a lower power cartridge somehow makes the weapon less controllable?
Why ask TD this question? You've already made plain what your retort will be, so nothing TD explains should make any difference to you:
caedes: This was not an accident, any reasonable person can see that it could have been forseen that giving a child an uzi was going to result in this kind of incident. Any kind of health and safety management assessement should have asked the question what could possibly go wrong if we give small children automatic weapons.
If TD answers that the weapon is controllable for this or that reason, will you change your position? Doubtful.
"This was not an accident, any reasonable person can see that it could have been forseen". -- caedes
If this was true the authorities would be pressing charges for negligent homocide or manslaughter. The authorities are not pressing any charges. They see it as an unfortunate, arguably avoidable, accident.
The instructor's widow and family are not blaming anybody either. They see it as an unfortunate accident.
Hindsight is always 20/20. Unless you have a crystal ball, Caedes. Do you?
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caedes...read my posts rather than reading into them. You'll see things much clearer. Any alleged 'switching of position' is your perception, and I can't do anything about that.
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If you still believe in God, what are your thoughts on the Bible?
by ilikecheese indo you believe it's inerrant?
do you believe it's based on things that happened, but a lot of it may just be stories and it's not perfect because men wrote it?
do you think it's just a good guide?
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"That makes it impossible to know for certain what he wrote in every passage (or arguably, in any passage). "
As Ehrman points out, there are more textual errors and variations in the extant manuscripts than there are words in the NT. Even if god existed and did inspire the Bible, that fact alone (the number of errors) reveals his ineptitude, or perhaps outright apathy, in making sure the message was preserved intact.
All that is available are copies of copies of copies. Interestingly, professional, educated Christian scribes did not make an appearance until the 4th century. Their work was based on the existing manuscripts produced by uneducated, non-professional Christian "scribes" who scribbled copies of letters to be read to all the illiterate Christians (90% or more).
At best, what professional Christian scribes had as source material was the already hopelessly flawed material produced by amateurs.
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Your views and ideas on forum areas and organization?
by Simon inthis may come as a shock to some people, but the current forum structure was kind of thrown together without much real thought and then evolved a bit over time.
there are a few things that particularly grate on me and areas where i don't think the subjects work particularly well.
'friends' is a bit vague and becomes a dumping ground, news & world events vs politics & current affairs is hard to decide sometimes, child abuse is a scandal but isn't contained withing 'scandals & coverups' etc.... with a new forum platform imminent, it's a good time to solicit ideas to improve things.
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Paris: Having more time to think through a post or being able to edit it anytime, even the next day, like you can on Facebook ?
(I'm repeating what Phizzy alluded to):
Sounds exactly like what WT does. WT wants to revise and/or delete it's own history when the reality of it's absurdity sets in, then, rather than man-up and acknowledge, "yes, we said that", they choose to delete it altogether and pretend it never existed. Well, thinking people can see right through that tactic and recognize it for what it is: dishonest Revisionism. You may rant ad nauseum about WT, Paris, but it seems you still retain admiration for some of WT's methodologies that suit your needs.
The only reason I can see for a person wanting this feature added is for the same purpose: when you begin to feel the heat for the words you write, you can go back, delete or edit them, then claim you never said it and everyone got it all wrong.
"Having more time to think through a post"- Try doing this before you post. It makes all the difference in the world.
I'm with Phizzy on this:
Again I say, be careful what you write, then let it stand, even if it does make you look silly later.
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If you still believe in God, what are your thoughts on the Bible?
by ilikecheese indo you believe it's inerrant?
do you believe it's based on things that happened, but a lot of it may just be stories and it's not perfect because men wrote it?
do you think it's just a good guide?
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I am not motivated enough to be a serious sinner.
You're not trying hard enough, JB.
If you can just switch the 51%/49% thing, I think you've got it. LOL.