Posts by AndDontCallMeShirley

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Killing In Self Defense
by Cold Steel in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
the man was moving around in the darkness of j's home with a gun.

he was certain j. and his family weren't there, but he was wrong.

when a door suddenly opened and a dark figure fumbled for the hallway light, he had only a moment to act.
AndDontCallMeShirley

To your point TD, I knew an elder years ago that so bought into WT's take on not incurring "bloodguilt" Re: self-defense, he actually said that if a man broke into his home and began raping his wife, he wouldn't do anything to stop it- because he wouldn't want to be "bloodguilty" by killing, or much less, even harming the rapist.

Or, another elder who was outspokenly anti-gun because WT is anti-gun, who said he keeps a large, heavy-duty Maglite flashlight next to his nightstand specifically for self-defense. If an intruder came into his home, he'd have no problem "beating him to death" with the flashlight. Which takes more intention? Shooting an intruder and maybe killing them? Or, beating them to death with a Maglite? The elder could not in 'good conscience' shoot someone in self-defense but could beat him to death (which at a certain point is no longer self-defense).

This is the absurdity of WT "reasoning" that gets in the way of common sense.
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Sister pleads guilty to killing her newborn while at congregation outing!
by Atlantis in
1. watchtower
2. bible
http://social.jw-archive.org/articles/sister-pleads-guilty-to-killing-her-baby-while-at-congregation-ou#sthash.xzojqlck.dpuf.

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nevada!.
AndDontCallMeShirley

Apog: So let's not just take the side of the defending lawyer here just because it gives us another thing to blame the religion for.

The hypocrisy is that it doesn't go the other way. When a JW does something good, like returning a large amount of cash that's been lost, JWs invariably use that as evidence that the person did this because they are a JW- the WT made them a better person.

When something bad happens, like this case, the default argument is always, 'well, people do bad things, you can't blame the religion'.

To a degree I see your point, Apog, but I also don't think it can be reasonably argued that the religion didn't at least contribute (probably to a large extent) in the decision she made.

So really, is her attorney that far off in using this argument as a defense???
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Sister pleads guilty to killing her newborn while at congregation outing!
by Atlantis in
1. watchtower
2. bible
http://social.jw-archive.org/articles/sister-pleads-guilty-to-killing-her-baby-while-at-congregation-ou#sthash.xzojqlck.dpuf.

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nevada!.
AndDontCallMeShirley

The friends will hear this via grapevine, & then will not speak about it or just say, she was wrong in the first place to have a baby without a hubby.

No, what they will say is that this entire story was fabricated by apostates and not a word of it is true.
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New December KM with changes all over
by pixel in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
is not on the public website yet, but here it is, full more changes:.

to the 2015 school:.

bible highlights: brothers as- signed this part will have two min- utes to consider one interesting and practical scriptural point from the weekly bible reading.
AndDontCallMeShirley

If you want music, I have numerous suggestions. Michael Jackson's Thriller and The Eagles' Greatest volume 1 are the top selling albums, and Led Zeppelin's box set

In reality, Alvin and The Chipmunks would be a step up from Kingdumb Maladies
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New December KM with changes all over
by pixel in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
is not on the public website yet, but here it is, full more changes:.

to the 2015 school:.

bible highlights: brothers as- signed this part will have two min- utes to consider one interesting and practical scriptural point from the weekly bible reading.
AndDontCallMeShirley

they didn't mention they had to change the song book because of the big dick on the back cover!

Anthony Morris III is on the back cover?
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New December KM with changes all over
by pixel in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
is not on the public website yet, but here it is, full more changes:.

to the 2015 school:.

bible highlights: brothers as- signed this part will have two min- utes to consider one interesting and practical scriptural point from the weekly bible reading.
AndDontCallMeShirley

I see the GB is arranging Bible discussion to mirror their own sex lives:

"It takes preparation and self-discipline to make a meaningful comment in 30 seconds".
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JW talks herself into deep trouble on Melbourne's radio 3AW
by MrMonroe in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/3aw-drive-blog-with-tom-elliott/tom-elliott-im-an-atheist-but-i-dont-shun-people/20141008-3hjws.html.

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AndDontCallMeShirley

Master Debator, thank you very much.
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JW talks herself into deep trouble on Melbourne's radio 3AW
by MrMonroe in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/3aw-drive-blog-with-tom-elliott/tom-elliott-im-an-atheist-but-i-dont-shun-people/20141008-3hjws.html.

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AndDontCallMeShirley

The rank-and-filer just ends up making JWs and the WTS look bad.

As if WT needs help looking bad...

"People love it when we come to their doors. Fully half of them want to see us". I see she makes up B.S. numbers just like WT does.
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Killing In Self Defense
by Cold Steel in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
the man was moving around in the darkness of j's home with a gun.

he was certain j. and his family weren't there, but he was wrong.

when a door suddenly opened and a dark figure fumbled for the hallway light, he had only a moment to act.
AndDontCallMeShirley

Let's not forget that WT is the same organization that would quickly disfellowship a woman if a body of janitors (Elders) determined she didn't resist enough when being raped.

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The Watchtower January 15th 1964 Issue, Pages 63-64:

"What is the position of a Christian woman... if faced with a... situation [of being attacked by a rapist]? Is she to scream even if an attacker threatens her life with a weapon?"

"But suppose the man had a weapon and threatened to kill the girl if she failed to lie down with him?"

"[The Bible] plainly says she should scream; hence, oppose the attack regardless of the circumstances."

"Thus if a Christian woman does not cry out and does not put forth every effort to flee, she would be viewed as consenting to the violation. The Christian woman who wants to keep clean and obey God's commandments, then, if faced with this situation today, needs to be courageous and to act on the suggestion made by the Scriptures and scream. Actually this counsel is for her welfare; for, if she should submit to the man's passionate wishes, she would not only be consenting to fornication or adultery, but be plagued by the shame. There would be shame, not only from the repulsiveness of the experience, but of having been coerced into breaking God's law by having sex connections with one other than a legal marriage mate.".

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Damned if you defend yourself, damned if you don't. With WT there is no winning.
90
Killing In Self Defense
by Cold Steel in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
the man was moving around in the darkness of j's home with a gun.

he was certain j. and his family weren't there, but he was wrong.

when a door suddenly opened and a dark figure fumbled for the hallway light, he had only a moment to act.
AndDontCallMeShirley

What a bizarre statement..."during daytime"? So you can go all Dirty Harry so long as the sun has set?

I'm sure the Pharisees also had similar rules bogged down in nonsensical idiotic minutiae.

JW woman to a rapist who's just broken into her home:

"I'm sorry, it's 5 minutes until sunset. Would you mind holding off any attempted rape for 5 minutes? I don't want to get in trouble with my elders. At the 5 min, one second mark go ahead and attack and I will cap your ass only then".