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  Why I HATE the WTS

  by berrygerry in

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  as a baby-boomer, i went through the pre-1975 bs without giving it any credence.. even as a youngster, my mind said: "if jesus said that no man knows the day or hour, then why the h is everyone saying that a is coming in oct.

  " and i left as a teen.. for whatever insane reason, i was convinced to return a number of years later, and sadly, got dunked.. major faux pas.. in previous posts, i have mentioned my endearing love of great rock (god bless rock and roll), esp.

  my teen faves bto, etc.. attending this concert ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yukhsmphvvo ) and watching fred turner's fingers drive me crazy, as one of my children has music in his soul and the fingers of a protege.. i hate that this cult destroys the orgasmic satisfaction that comes from the giving and receiving of pleasure from each others' developed or natural talents or gifts.. god bless rock and roll.. .

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  @ Vidiot: God loves rock and roll. He even said so in Haggai 2:7

   

  Yeah, but he doesn't like television so it's a wash.  (Matthew 17:9)
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  Why I HATE the WTS

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as a baby-boomer, i went through the pre-1975 bs without giving it any credence.. even as a youngster, my mind said: "if jesus said that no man knows the day or hour, then why the h is everyone saying that a is coming in oct.

  " and i left as a teen.. for whatever insane reason, i was convinced to return a number of years later, and sadly, got dunked.. major faux pas.. in previous posts, i have mentioned my endearing love of great rock (god bless rock and roll), esp.

  my teen faves bto, etc.. attending this concert ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yukhsmphvvo ) and watching fred turner's fingers drive me crazy, as one of my children has music in his soul and the fingers of a protege.. i hate that this cult destroys the orgasmic satisfaction that comes from the giving and receiving of pleasure from each others' developed or natural talents or gifts.. god bless rock and roll.. .

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  I've often wondered about this myself. How many "greats" has WT crushed by depriving a person the opportunity to gift the world with their talents?

  I despise the WT articles where some now-current JW recounts their story of being an: accomplished artist; musician; dancer; successful business person, etc., only to walk away from it all to "serve Jehovah" when they had the (misfortune) of crossing paths with a JW and getting sucked into the fantasy. 
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  Surprise ! Surprise ! 2015 Arrives and NO Armageddon or World's " End " - Go Figure

  by flipper in

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  2. friends

  i guess 99.9 % of ex-jw's here could have predicted as much .

  armageddon didn't happen in 1914. it didn't happen in 1925. it didn't happen in 1975. and it did not happen in 2014. since the wt society first predicted a world's end when their organization started in 1879 - 126 years have passed which according to any dictionary in any human language 126 years comprises of 4 separate generations each totaling 30 years each.

  plus 6 years into a 5th generation.

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  @ Blondie: Whenever the WTS predicts a time, they have to be wrong per Jesus.

   

  This is such an infinitesimally simple point, yet the talking heads at WT fail to grasp it decade after decade after decade. The mass of their focus is based on something they have been told right from the outset will fail everytime, yet they dive headfirst into the shallow waters anyway and are suprised everytime it doesn't go so well.

   

  Truly, stupid is as stupid does. 
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  Wisdom in "the Word of God". Really? What Watchtower got wrong at this week's Congregation "Bible" Study.

  by Island Man in

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  the congregation "bible" study (cbs) for the week of december 29, 2014 to january 4, 2015 was taken from draw close to jehovah, pages 179-182, paragraphs 1-8.. paragraph 3 seems to be using the ancient jew's fear of jehovah's thunderous voice to justify the wisdom of him using moses to record and transmit his laws to the people.

  but there is an implied false dichotomy here.

  since god is supposedly almighty he is most certainly capable of giving a personal revelation of his requirements to every human in a clear, concise and unambiguous manner that they can fully understand and remember - without having to use his thunderous voice.

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  Bart Ehrman, in his book, "Misquoting Jesus", stated that even among the most "literate" of the early Christians, very few of those were, what we would consider in modern times, literate. Many of those entrusted with copying letters among congregations or copying scripture into "books" were capable of making little more than a series of marks or only basic sentences. And, these were the best people available. Think about that.

  It's no wonder the original message, for whatever it was worth, was probably useless within a very short period of time. 
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  Toddler accidentally shoots woman dead in Idaho Walmart

  by nicolaou in

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  a woman has been shot dead by a 2-year-old in a wal-mart store in idaho.. .

  the 29-year-old was shopping with four children in the store in hayden, when the two-year-old reached into her handbag and fired the weapon, shooting her dead.. initial reports suggested the woman was the boy's mother, but the police have said that this is as yet unclear how they are related.. source; http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/toddler-accidentally-shoots-woman-in-idaho-walmart-9950847.html.

  i've nothing to add to my past comments on americas psychotic relationship with guns.

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  Does it not seem a case of eventual probability that if there are more guns held by a given population, that the eventual outcome from that will occur of more guns be used inappropriately by that population ? 

   

  Yes, anything is possible with enough fantasizing. Is it possible that the earth will turn purple if enough people watch Barney on Saturday mornings? I suppose, but is it probable? Not likely.

  However, you are stating things as facts to carry your opinions without any substantiation whatsoever. 

  If you are just going to share your personal opinions, then at least be honest enough to preface your comments by stating as much rather than implying you are sharing factual, documented data.
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  Wisdom in "the Word of God". Really? What Watchtower got wrong at this week's Congregation "Bible" Study.

  by Island Man in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the congregation "bible" study (cbs) for the week of december 29, 2014 to january 4, 2015 was taken from draw close to jehovah, pages 179-182, paragraphs 1-8.. paragraph 3 seems to be using the ancient jew's fear of jehovah's thunderous voice to justify the wisdom of him using moses to record and transmit his laws to the people.

  but there is an implied false dichotomy here.

  since god is supposedly almighty he is most certainly capable of giving a personal revelation of his requirements to every human in a clear, concise and unambiguous manner that they can fully understand and remember - without having to use his thunderous voice.

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  Since God is supposedly Almighty he is most certainly capable of giving a personal revelation of his requirements to every human in a clear, concise and unambiguous manner that they can fully understand and remember 

  True. But if god did this he couldn't then turn around and condemn 99.9% of people to death for not understanding his will. Clarity is counter to god's methodology. 

   

   Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it true that the Law was only readily available to the priests who were charged with orally instructing the rest of the nation?  

  Yes. Because most people of ancient times were illiterate. Ditto for the early Christians. The idea WT has that everyone in Israel and into first century Christianity could read and write, and had their own personal copy of the scriptures to consult, is absurd at best. 
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  Toddler accidentally shoots woman dead in Idaho Walmart

  by nicolaou in

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  2. current

  a woman has been shot dead by a 2-year-old in a wal-mart store in idaho.. .

  the 29-year-old was shopping with four children in the store in hayden, when the two-year-old reached into her handbag and fired the weapon, shooting her dead.. initial reports suggested the woman was the boy's mother, but the police have said that this is as yet unclear how they are related.. source; http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/toddler-accidentally-shoots-woman-in-idaho-walmart-9950847.html.

  i've nothing to add to my past comments on americas psychotic relationship with guns.

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   The point being more guns in possession of the population creates situations of guns being used in acts of violence.

  Among criminals. Law abiding citizens are not engaged in criminal acts, nor are they the ones perpetrating violence. Where are you getting your theories from? 

   

   

  The problem that is present in the US is that being that it is known that a great amount of guns are owned by the population at hand, it compels people to own them themselves as a means of self protection. 

  I disagree with this statement. I've never met anyone who has gone out and purchased a gun for no other reason than other people have guns. I am not aware of any arms race among the Average Joes of  America.

  Again, I ask, what are you basing your theories on? So far, you've not posted one source of reference to back up your claims. 

   
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  Surprise ! Surprise ! 2015 Arrives and NO Armageddon or World's " End " - Go Figure

  by flipper in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i guess 99.9 % of ex-jw's here could have predicted as much .

  armageddon didn't happen in 1914. it didn't happen in 1925. it didn't happen in 1975. and it did not happen in 2014. since the wt society first predicted a world's end when their organization started in 1879 - 126 years have passed which according to any dictionary in any human language 126 years comprises of 4 separate generations each totaling 30 years each.

  plus 6 years into a 5th generation.

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  @ Flipper: ANDDONTCALLMESHIRLEY-  Wow ! Is my math bad - or what ? Thanks for the correction ! LOL. 126 years from 1879 - 2015 ?  Actually it's 136 years from 1879 to 2015 !

   

  WT's first issue was July of 1879 if I remember correctly, and 2015 just started, dude (I know your partying last night makes it seem like it's already August 2015, Flipper, but it is not...I can assure you of that. LOL).

   

  So, I'm sticking with my 134 year number (133 1/2 if you're going to grind me down to a firm number).

   

  Regardless, WT is still wrong and Armageddon is still predictably not here. Months, years... it's all irrelevant. 
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  Toddler accidentally shoots woman dead in Idaho Walmart

  by nicolaou in

  1. social
  2. current

  a woman has been shot dead by a 2-year-old in a wal-mart store in idaho.. .

  the 29-year-old was shopping with four children in the store in hayden, when the two-year-old reached into her handbag and fired the weapon, shooting her dead.. initial reports suggested the woman was the boy's mother, but the police have said that this is as yet unclear how they are related.. source; http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/toddler-accidentally-shoots-woman-in-idaho-walmart-9950847.html.

  i've nothing to add to my past comments on americas psychotic relationship with guns.

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  @ nicolaou: I appreciate your comments very much. Thanks for sharing your perspective. I want to address this first:

   but from my limited European perspective the heart of the matter is being missed.

  Maybe this is the core of misunderstanding any culture or country.

  To me, it seems odd that a government is in such fear of its people it doesn't want them to own firearms; and, it's equally as strange that citizens are so untrusting of each other they fear their neighbor having a gun. That's my perspective.

   I live in the USA and have never seen or felt the things Europeans or Canadians describe about their perceptions of what life is like in the USA. I do not live in fear. I live in a State where open-carry and concealed carry are legal, yet I just about never see someone carrying a gun even though they have every legal right to do so. As far as concealed carry, I don't worry about that either, for one very simple reason: a person who has a CCW (Concealed Carry Weapon) permit is a law-abiding citizen who's following the rules and being responsible.

   Perhaps the word 'psychotic' is inflammatory but America does appear to perceive or interpret this lethal issue differently to everyone else

  Most likely true. But the perceptions you have adopted are based on your vantage point- across an ocean, on a different continent, in a different culture and country. I think anyone viewing life in the USA from the outside must think it's like the Wild West- everyone carries a gun, you can't go grocery shopping without getting shot at, out-of-control violence. It just isn't so. I feel no fear no matter where I go. I don't see or feel anything that causes me concern. Generally, I think Americans are no different than anyone else. The sensationalized news that we get here, and that you get, skew the reality of daily life to appear as being something it is not. No news outlet airs stories about Joe Average Citizen who keeps his guns locked up safely and didn't shoot anybody; but some nutjob who shoots up a school or gang-related shootings always make the news. Unfortunately, the idiotic very small minority always makes the responsible majority look bad.

   

  @Simon:  There is something in the American psyche that seems to focus on fear.

  Fear is a natural human emotion and not limited to Americans. I am an American but I don't feel the fear you seem to think I have, nor does anyone I know. I'm sure there are people that feel massive paranoia and fear about everything, but that's most likely a mental dysfunction rather than a citizenship function. They'd probably feel the same fears living in Canada or the U.K. 

   I think the obsession with guns is a symptom of this mentality

  Obsession? Strong word and, in my opinion, incorrect. Just because many Americans believe in personal protection and legally owning firearms doesn't make them obsessed. People in every country and culture have issues they feel passionate about. In the USA, people feel very passionate about liberty and the ability to protect themselves.

  I find it interesting that the people most vocal about American freedoms, especially in regard to the gun issue, don't live here and never have lived here. If the day comes where Americans sense some kind of 'emergency' situation where their right to bear arms needs to be changed, they'll change it. It's one of the grand things about a free society and free markets.

   Having said all that, I think if I lived in the US I'd probably want to be armed to the teeth and shooting at anyone who looked at me funny. You never know, they may think you're looking funny at them and just be about to defend themselves ...

  And you say WE live in fear? Wow. I am a gun owner, have been most of my life, but I never felt the need to be "armed to the teeth" or shoot somone for looking at me. That may be your pattern of thinking, but it's not mine and certainly not that of any other gun owner I've ever met.
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  Surprise ! Surprise ! 2015 Arrives and NO Armageddon or World's " End " - Go Figure

  by flipper in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i guess 99.9 % of ex-jw's here could have predicted as much .

  armageddon didn't happen in 1914. it didn't happen in 1925. it didn't happen in 1975. and it did not happen in 2014. since the wt society first predicted a world's end when their organization started in 1879 - 126 years have passed which according to any dictionary in any human language 126 years comprises of 4 separate generations each totaling 30 years each.

  plus 6 years into a 5th generation.

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  "definite" in Watchtower-ese basically means they're going to fling some bovine residue and see what sticks.