Posts by bjc2read

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WATCHMAN IS DISFELLOWSHIPPED UNDER NEW POLICY/NEW BOOK!!!

by bjc2read in

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watchman, as many know from reformer websites such as (1) e-watchman.com and (2) e-jehovahs-witnesses.com discussion board, has been officially disfellowshipped from all congregations of jehovah's witnesses!.

here is the link to the sudden change in status for him: .

http://www.e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/viewtopic.php?p=41406&sid=196154f73a3336c977fb1315fb5183e4#41406.

bjc2read

Hi all,

Just a short update. It seems Watchman has just completed his Appeal Committee Meeting, Friday April 15, 2005, where the decision was made to uphold the original decision of the first Judicial Committee to disfellowship him on the charge of Apostasy.

Here are his comments on the events as they transpired. Watchman writes:

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"...On Friday I had the appeal hearing on my disfellowshipping. And as it turned out the Appeal Committee upheld the decision.

"The basic thrust of the meeting was that I had to prove that the original committee made a serious error in judgment. My appeal was based upon the fact that the original committee did not seriously examine the evidence of the WT' s NGO affair, which was the basis for my letter writing and website in the first place. I went armed with a folder full of UN documents and pro- UN WT articles. However, the Appeal chairman made it clear that they were not going to look at any of it. When one of the brothers started to justify the WT by saying some goofy thing like: " The UN has done some good things," the Chairman shut him down. I knew then it was rigged from the get-go. So, having refused to allow the committee to look at the evidence the Chairman says something to the effect: " Is that all you have?"

"I should have just gotten up and walked out at that point, but I tried a different tack.

"I asked the Chairman pointedly if he would warn the congregation if he knew that a pedophile was lurking among the brothers. He was adamant that he would---"yes, absolutely." I then told the committees that the WT' s lawyers are presently arguing before the courts that Jehovah's Witness elders bear no responsibility to protect congregants from such predators. I told them I was sickened by the WT' s hypocrisy. They scoffed at that, and when I produced a document from Law. Com and told them that Kimberly Norris had been contacted by 2,000 JW abuse victims they at first discounted it because it came from the Internet. That's when I sort of lost it and threw the papers the length of the conference table and told the brothers to take it home and do some reading. I think it sort of went down hill from there. I heatedly demanded to know why they were not disturbed by such things. No one said a word. They just sat there gazing at me stone-faced. I chided and held them in derision for their silence.

"After they told me they were going to uphold the original decision, I told them 1914 was an 'artfully contrived false story' (2 Peter 1:16) and that Jehovah was going to 'turn the Watchtower upside down' and that at some point they were going to have to take the WT training wheels off and demonstrate their loyalty to Jehovah and not the WT . They seemed especially disturbed by the fact that I said the evil slave resides among the faithful slave and that the man of lawlessness comes from within the house of God. I suspect they will not soon forget our little meeting."

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See Link below:

http://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/viewtopic.php?t=2326&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0

bjc

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WATCHMAN IS DISFELLOWSHIPPED UNDER NEW POLICY/NEW BOOK!!!

by bjc2read in

jw
friends

watchman, as many know from reformer websites such as (1) e-watchman.com and (2) e-jehovahs-witnesses.com discussion board, has been officially disfellowshipped from all congregations of jehovah's witnesses!.

here is the link to the sudden change in status for him: .

http://www.e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/viewtopic.php?p=41406&sid=196154f73a3336c977fb1315fb5183e4#41406.

bjc2read

Hi all,

Watchman, as many know from reformer websites such as (1) e-watchman.com and (2) e-jehovahs-witnesses.com discussion board, has been officially disfellowshipped from all congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses!

Here is the link to the sudden change in status for him:

http://www.e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/viewtopic.php?p=41406&sid=196154f73a3336c977fb1315fb5183e4#41406

Here is Watchman's account of his own disfellowshipment, under the new arrangement.

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I just wanted to make a brief announcment to the forum that I was disfellowshipped this past Saturday, March the 19th, 2005. However, I have already appealed the decision. So, I will be getting ready for round II. I really don't want to give any of the details since it is ongoing, but I felt obligated to inform you friends of the lastest developments in my case.

I feel saddned that I have been branded as an apostate and will have to carry that stigma from the standpoint of the congregation and all of my non-virtual friends in the organization. However, from Jehovah's standpoint I feel as triumphant as Paul when he wrote to Timothy saying: "I have fought the fine fight down to the end." Except, in my case, the fight ain't over yet. In some respects it may be just beginning.

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bjc2read

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The "Great War" (Daniel 10:1 NIV) -- ...

by bjc2read in

the "great war" ahead -- our future!

(daniel 10:1 niv) .

on this thread, i will comment from time to time, as current events unfold, for the benefit of mystery "israel", god's name people.

bjc2read

COMES DEATH ON A PALE HORSE Osama's Revenge: The Next 9/11: What the Media and the Government Haven't Told You

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/7/29/94552.sht ml

Bob Cheeks
Thursday, July 29, 2004

He walked steadily but not hurriedly. He was neatly dressed in a three-piece Brooks Brothers suit. As he walked he looked directly ahead with a slight smile on his face; no one paid any attention to him. He was everyman; dark-skinned, clean-shaven, with straight black hair neatly combed.

When he reached the front of the largest building in the very center of the busy city, he put his suitcase down and checked his wristwatch. It was 9:54 a.m. His timing was impeccable. He picked up the suitcase and turned toward the street. Traffic was light; most people had already arrived at their jobs and were working. He said his prayers. A few minutes later he placed the suitcase on the sidewalk and slowly bent over and initiated the firing sequence.

?Allah Akbar!? he said, smiling.

Within seconds a huge fireball rose above the city. Already tens of thousands were dead, while buildings blocks away were twisted and ripped open by a wind calculated to approach 700 miles per hour. Within three minutes the dead and wounded would exceed 1 million Americans.

This same scenario was repeated at exactly the same time in six additional American cities. Fortunately, two other bombs failed to detonate. The death toll was over 7 million. America was physically devastated, her economy in shambles. No help came from the United Nations. No European countries sent aid.

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The foregoing scenario is fiction, I pray. But if the information provided in Paul L. Williams' new book, "Osama's Revenge: The Next 9/11," is accurate - and keep in mind his book is scrupulously documented and filled with footnotes - America faces a nuclear Armageddon.

We would be better prepared for the ?Islamic militants? if we were still a Christian nation. But in the post-Christian era, our embrace of multiculturalism and ethnic diversity work against us. We have, as the brilliant rhetorician Richard Weaver once commented, ?lost our consensus.? But Islam has not lost its consensus; it has what Nietzsche referred to as ?the Will to Power.?

Williams details Osama bid Laden?s rise to power in Afghanistan and his genius in raising money via heroin sold in the good old USA, which has filled al-Qaida?s coffers to overflowing. If a suitcase bomb in Chechnya costs $20 million, it?s not a problem! In a 2002 article, Al-Majallah, London?s Saudi weekly newspaper, reported that al-Qaida now possesses 48 such devices.

Williams quotes the esteemed terrorist expert Yossef Bodansky, head of the Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare: ?We don?t have any indication that they are going to use it [nuclear weapons] tomorrow or any other day. But they have the capacity; they have the legitimate authorization; they have the logic for using it. So, one does not go into the tremendous amount of expenditures, effort, investment in human beings and in human resources, to have something that will be kept in storage for a rainy day.?

In Europe the fulfillment of Jean Raspail?s prescient book "The Camp of the Saints" is at hand. Williams reports that al-Qaida cells in France gained between 35,000 and 45,000 members; in Germany, 30,000; in Great Britain, 10,000. These volunteers are assigned to terrorist cells that train regularly in ?the use of weapons, explosives, and chemical/biological warfare.?

Williams declares that ?up to five thousand sleeper agents are already in major U.S. cities ... preparing ?for the American Hiroshima.?? He also adds a more ominous note: ?Although President Bush sounded the alarm about the presence of al Qaeda operatives in the United States, federal officials have displayed almost total incompetence in their ability to identify sleeper agents and root out sleeper cells.?

Even more chilling is Williams' report that in January of 1998 Shaykh Hisham Kabbani, chairman of the Islamic Supreme Council of America, ?testified before a committee of the US Department of State? that 20 suitcase nukes were already in America, with 5,000 terrorists being trained for the next attack. Kabbani also testified that he believed that Islamic extremists who wish to overthrow the government controlled 80 percent of the mosques in the United States. Remember when we called that treason?!

Williams? book is a chilling and appropriate reminder that these Islamic terrorists are brilliant, tenacious and totally without mercy. They demand the conversion or death of every American: man, woman and child - and they have no moral qualms about murdering millions of Americans.

In the final analysis, we must consider that Islamic militants have put us in the unhappy position of either destroying a significant portion of that population or risk nuclear annihilation. Let us begin the fight!

Editor's Note: Get Paul Williams' blockbuster new book with our FREE offer ? Click Here ? Osama's Revenge: The Next 9/11: What the Media and the Government Haven't Told You.

Additional information on new book!

Osama's Revenge:
THE NEXT 9/11: What the Media and the Government Haven't Told You

Hardcover ? 261 pages

Does Osama bin Laden have nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction? Is so, where are they? Are they in the hands of al Qaeda sleeper cells in the United States? Should Americans be bracing for a nuclear attack?

Former consultant for the FBI an organized crime and international terrorism and a seasoned investigative reporter, Paul L. Williams reveals the potential for nuclear terrorism on US soil in this shocking expose. Based on the findings of US, Israeli, Pakistani, and British intelligence, Williams describes how the theft of tactical nuclear weapons from Russian arsenals have in all likelihood made their way to al Qaeda cells throughout the United States in preparation for the next terrorist attack.

Williams presents clear evidence showing that, in the chaos following the breakup of the Soviet Union, the Chechen Mafia got its hands on portable Russian nuclear weapons. Between 1996 and 2001, mafia members negotiated the sale of twenty nuclear "suitcase bombs" to representatives of Osama bin Laden. Far worse than so-called "dirty bombs," each suitcase bomb is capable of killing millions of Americans while exposing millions more to deadly radioactive fallout. According to Williams, reliable sources indicate that these bombs may already be in the possession of al Qaeda operatives in such major cities as New York, Washington, Miami, Chicago, Las Vegas, Houston, and Los Angeles. In addition, bin Laden has recruited former Soviet scientists and technicians to maintain these weapons and recharge their nuclear cores so that they may be deployed immediately on his command. In 2001 he issued a statement boasting of his intent to have America experience a "Hiroshima."

Also included in the book are bin Laden's "Letters to America" and his "Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places," as well as the World Islamic Statement declaring "Jihad against Jews and Crusaders." These crucial documents highlight the rationale behind and the depth of bin Laden's hatred for the United States. Moreover, Williams documents that Osama has the international network of embedded terrorists to carry out his threats.

Although the media have reported on some of these threatening developments and government insiders have acknowledged the threat of nuclear attack, until now no one has put all the pieces together in a coherent, no nonsense way. Williams makes a persuasive case that bin Laden and his deputies have the motive and the means and are just waiting for the opportunity to launch an apocalyptic attack on the "Great Satan" of America.

http://www.newsmaxstore.com/nms/showdetl.cfm?&Product_ID=1770&DID=6

More Information on the above can be found at: http://www.livingwatersforum.com

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587 BC for Total Dunderheads

by Farkel in

if you're a dunderhead on neo-babylonian history (like me) you've probably remained totally clueless whenever the subject of the chronology leading to back 607 b.c.

since i had nothing better to do today, i decided to finally take the time it takes to understand why dub chronology on that date is wrong.

this piece of information alone should give you a clue about how bored i am!.

bjc2read

Thanks Farkel.

In time, "new light" was needed to straighten out this foolish blunder, as the WTS began to see the impossibility of this situation. They figured out the brothers would eventually "add up the years" as you have done, and figure out the date of 607 for Jerusalem's destruction would be impossible, given the information at hand. Therefore, they decided to ELONGATE the rule of Nebuchadnezzar's son's ("Evil-merodach") reign from 2 years as they had previously stated in the publications (see w65 page 29), and to lengthen it out to 18 years. (See "Aid To Bible Understanding" page 539; also "Insight On The Scriptures" Volume 1 page 772.) And additionally, with a little fancy footwork here and there, between the years of 1965 and 1971, they had the problem under control with the release of the "Aid" book. This meant the 1914/607 Conspiracy was now fully in place and fully operational, with the inestimatable help of the "Aid" book to clarify things.

bjc

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Why do the watchtower studies have no doctrine anymore?

by truthseeker in

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over the last few years, it has become apparent that the teachings which were popular in the 80s, the ones that have not changed (unlike the generation of 1914), are no longer being mentioned in the study articles.. teachings like the 1200 days, the gentile times, even 1914 is not referenced with 607bce anymore.

it seems as if each article is nothing more than a lesson, how can we do more, give more, donate more etc.. it seems that only their books contain the doctrine they expound, the watchtower has no doctrine.. what happened to the articles on hellfire, immortality of the soul, condition of the dead?

these are never mentioned in wt articles.. the quality of the articles is so dumb it's laughable.

bjc2read

if you have a copy of the December 1st 2003 article, note how at the end of one of the study articles, 'could we perhaps donate more on a weekly basis, as did the eraly Christians?'
there are so many begging articles of late its funny.

Please find below a direct quote from the book called The "Report" Volume I. page 133, released in the year of 1995, as a prediction of the very situation we are seeing today among Jehovah's Witnesses:

"...Yes, there can be no question that the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society is a greedy, money-making business! Just how disgusting is she? Only Jehovah knows for sure.

"Nevertheless, the Watch tower Society claims to need MONEY, and plenty of it! Although, the Watch Tower Society is quite wealthy, the headquarters staff continues to milk the brotherhood for as much as they can get from them. But many of the brothers are poor and in no position to give it to her. Therefore, in an effort to gain a larger membership and thus gain prestige and more dollars, the Watch Tower Society must appeal to the affluent of the world, just like Christendom! Therefore, we will continue to notice that the Watch Tower Society will beg, beg, and completely drain the brothers of their material resources to the maximum!

"This will be quite evident in their literature, as the Watch Tower Society will take advantage of every opportunity to ask for more money from the brotherhood. Think about it."

End of quote.

The above information was first written in the publication called The "Report" Volume I, published in the year of 1995 and distributed in bookstores up and down the east coast of the U.S.A. and other parts of the country and in other areas around the world.

bjc

PS: For those interested, The "Report" Book can be obtained by writing: [email protected]

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The "Great War" (Daniel 10:1 NIV) -- ...

by bjc2read in

the "great war" ahead -- our future!

(daniel 10:1 niv) .

on this thread, i will comment from time to time, as current events unfold, for the benefit of mystery "israel", god's name people.

bjc2read

THE 7-HEADED ?WILD BEAST? AFTER THE COMING ?GREAT WAR? OF DANIEL 10:1 (NIV)

Today, many keen bible students have come to discern the fact that the "Wild Beast" spoken of in the book of Revelation, actually represents a political entity which is under Satan the Devil?s control and thus is in complete opposition Jehovah God and His ?Kingdom? Interests upon earth. However, what is not commonly known among religionists today is that the ?7-Headed? entity itself, actually has not as of yet, been fully formed yet. What I mean by that statement is that the 7-Headed "Wild Beast" that Revelation speaks of itself pertains to the future, or it is a "beast" that will formulate in the near future for us, as a "7-headed" entity..one that must go thru several phases or vicissitudes, finally, before it becomes the ?7-Headed? Political Entity the bible speaks of that makes a devastating attack upon the "holy ones" and to "conquer them" as the "Two Witnesses" of God. -- Revelation 11:7; Revelation 13:5-7

As we recall, this moving drama about the "wild beast" forms when the "woman", a heaven-high, heavenly adorned "woman," is sent "fleeing" to the wilderness, as a form of punishment from God. A "Woman" that is "persecuted" by the Dragon directly. Bible prophecy shows this mystery "woman" who is "fed" by God Almighty in the "Wilderness" will prove to be none other than the Jehovah?s Witnesses as an organization or people, complete with the "stars," "moon," and "sun" proving themselves to be the "heavenly body" leaders and corporate heads of the JW Organization, especially the Governing Body itself. -- Revelation 12:1, 2, 6, 13, 14

Bible prophecy indicates that very shortly, the JW Organization in its entirety, will come under attack and intense persecution from the political factions of this world, even here in the United States too. This all occurs just after the "Great War" that is shortly to come upon us now, just comes to an abrupt end. The "Great War" of Daniel 10:1 (NIV). Immediately afterwhich, the JW organization will be chased to the wilderness, showing that they have lost all of Jehovah's blessings and spirit, totally. God will allow all of this to happen to them as punishment for being transgressors against His Will. -- Psalms 74:3-10; Daniel 8:12-14; Daniel 11:40, 41; Revelation 12:6, 14-16; Revelation 13:5-7

It is from this setting, that we first see or get our very first glimpse of the notorious "Babylon the Great," the old disgusting "Harlot," yes the infamous "Mother of the Harlots," who has positioned herself upon the "wild beast" to ride the political "wild beast" [United Nations Organization] for all its worth. Actually, Babylon The Great, forms after the JW Organization exists for some time within the "wilderness," after much intense persecution has been experienced by the JW family. In fact, Babylon the Great is actually formed by a unique metamorphosis of the JW Organization, while under intense persecution in the "wilderness", where the majority of Jehovah?s Witnesses will side with the Governing Body Leadership in total compromise and receive the "mark of the beast" in high treason against God as real "apostates". This great event is just ahead of us for all the world to see. -- Daniel 11:32; Revelation 13:14-17.

John shows us just how such a thing could happen?the formation of Babylon The Great and how it gets its beginning,

"And he carried me away in the power of the spirit into a wilderness. And I caught sight of a woman sitting upon a scarlet-colored wild beast that was full of blasphemous names and that had seven heads and ten horns." -- Revelation 17:3

Babylon the Great actually gets her start, while in the "wilderness," which is the exact same place we recall, that the "woman" has been chased previously, as mentioned in Revelation 12:6, 14. Also we notice above that the "wild beast" has "7 heads and 10 horns." Now, this description of the "10 horns" reminds us of the 4th tremendously destructive "beast" of the book of Daniel 7th chapter. This "beast" we remember, is said to be particularly "fearsome and terrible and unusually strong." Also, from this "extraordinarily fearsome" beast, will also come forth, from among these ?10 horns,? a most notorious "small horn" leader, who becomes the Chief Persecutor of all God's People, yes Jehovah?s Witnesses, and also winds up ?harassing? as the prophecy says, the ?holy ones of the Supreme One,? the future kingdom heirs of God. (Daniel 7:18-27) Yes, this ?small horn? figure then, thus becomes the real Leader of this particularly brutal "10-horned" beast, or cruel beastly governmental set-up, as the much feared "King of the North" that we have all heard and read so much about in the book of Daniel. Yes, he becomes the Chief Person, among real persecutors of God?s Name People?this one we know today, as OSAMA BIN LADEN!!!

Yes, this person most responsible for the 9-11 attack upon [NY Trade Center Buildings] America, yes the true leader of the ?Al-Qaida? [The Base] Network of Islamic Extremists, who continues to escape the grasp of America and its military machinery, yes this one, will be the one who will take the lead in the persecution of modern-day "Israel" of our times, Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide, before Jehovah brings it to a halt. Osama bin Laden, yes, the one who leads a small group of people, the "Al-Qaida" Network, the "small nation" spoken of in Daniel 11:23. Yes, the one who will become quite famous, quite powerful indeed, as THE LEADER of the international Islamic Community, that must be reckoned with, finally. When this one has fully accomplished his will concerning his Great "Jihad" against the West, against America, when this "Great War", this so-called "holy Jihad" is over?AFTER?after the ?Great War? of Daniel 10:1 is fought and won by himself as the infamous ?King of the North,? who defeats, the ?King of the South,? or American and supporting nations, in the most bloody, devastating war the world has ever, ever seen before -- then, yes then, the "King of the North," will make much trouble for God's Name People...much trouble indeed! ? Daniel 7:18-27; Daniel 8:23-25; Daniel 10:1 NIV; Matthew 24:7; Revelation 6:4; Revelation 13:5-7

To be sure, this coming "small horn" leader, then will prove to be the Real Leader of the "10 horned" political entity that devastates the earth in terrible warfare. And even after he, Osama bin Laden is dead and gone, yes bible prophecy indicates still, that the "10-Horned" Beast, will continue to prove themselves to be the real enemies of God?s Name People, right up to the end of this system of things, when the Holy "Mountain of Decoration," has to be defended by God Almighty Himself. -- Daniel 7:7,8, 19-22; Daniel 11:44, 45

It will be during such a difficult time as these described above, the initial stages of persecution against Jehovah's Witnesses, the "woman," that the JW Organization will crumble, become totally disillusioned, and finally in complete defeat and compromise, willingly and disgracefully, accept or receive the "mark of the beast", under the leadership of the wicked, disgustingly, cowardly, Governing Body leadership of our modern day times. It will be this particularly "fierce king," who strangely, "understands ambiguous sayings," yes strangely "ambiguous" words known as the so-called "Holy Koran" book itself, yes this particular Religious Leader himself, will lead God's Name People, into complete "apostasy" before God?just as God?s unfailing Word, predicts! -- Daniel 8:23-25; Daniel 11:30, 32

Of course, we remember the WTS has said in their publications in the past, that the 7 "heads" on the ?Wild Beast,? actually picture 7 successive governments down thru the ages, starting with namely Egypt, and then moving to Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome and finally the Anglo-American duo world power. However, this explanation is obviously wrong since we remember, John is given a vision of the future and not of the distant past. So, John is not an inspired historian, in this instance, retelling the past to us, but he is shown the "things that must take place," as of the future. He is seeing things of our day, of our future, as from the 1st century, and on. But not of the past. Revelation 1:1 and Revelation 4:1 make that point clear. And when we come to appreciate this fact, then this means as we might expect, yes the "heads" on the beast are CONTEMPORARY governments, contemporary ?beasts,? that exist at the same time, and not successive governments that follow one another, over a long period of time, starting as it were, many centuries ago.

The book of Revelation helps us to see, the United Nations is the key figure here too, since it represents the organization that can bring all of the governments together in a unison of power. However, at different times, key nations, actually express control of this political power entity of the United Nations Organization. For example, we see the "Security Council" with its five PERMANENT MEMBERS, actually showing all of the real power and authority of our time. Actually, these "five" kings [or five governments] are referred to in Revelation 17:10. They are the same "five kings" that occupy the seat of Permanent Members of the Security Council for the United Nations Organization...the ones that have what is called: Veto Power. These ?five? will be in power and vogue, during the time the ?Great War? of Daniel 10:1 (NIV), will occur. John was told the following:

"And there are seven kings: five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet arrived, but when he does arrive he must remain a short while." ? Revelation 17:10

What this means is that, when the real trouble starts, "five will have fallen" in total warfare and influence toward world affairs. In other words, a "Great War" is on the horizon, with the "five kings", the Permanent Members of the UN Security Council, "falling" in their influence to control the world situation anymore. They will have "fallen" in the eyes of the world, in power and in influence as regards to WORLD POLICY. What they think, at this time, will no longer be considered by worldly nations to be ?germaine?, or even relevant, as respects, international policy around the globe. No but, at this time, after the ?Great War,? yes, there will be only one "king" at this time, to really deal with. One real force to be reckoned with. And it will be during this unusual time, after the "Great War," when this "king", this particularly "fierce king" will exercise great political and military influence upon the world scene. It will be under these particularly difficult circumstances for the Western World, these unexpected circumstances that the Organization of Jehovah's Witnesses, will receive the "mark of the beast", under the leadership of the wicked, nefarious Governing Body leadership of our times. This "fierce king," the then prevailing "King of the North," will lead God's Name People, Jehovah's Witnesses as a nation and people, into "APOSTASY" before God. -- Daniel 8:23-25; Daniel 11:30, 32; Revelation 13:14-18

When the prophecy says, the "one that is," or the "king that is," it means the one prevailing "king" or "kingdom" or "mountain" that represents the new ruling power, which will be in vogue at the time that "Babylon The Great" gets on the back of the "wild beast", while they are conveniently dwelling, "in the wilderness." When this happens, this one particularly "fierce king" -- Osama bin Laden, will then be in power, and will control things, politically, from a world scene point of view. Bible Prophecy is clear!!!

Daniel 8:23-25 speaks of him as being a particularly "fierce king" that is coming into power, and gains his power, yes thru "intrigue." Daniel 11:30-32 shows, that he, acting the part of the "king of the North," will lead "those acting wickedly against the Covenant" of God, into complete "apostasy". And he leads the leadership, particularly the Governing Body of Jehovah?s Witnesses, yes and the majority (but not all) of the JW Organization, he will lead into complete "apostasy." This act in itself, will fully reveal the "man of lawlessness" in fact to be the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. In other words, the JW Organization will receive at that time, the dreaded "mark of the beast" in full compromise before Jehovah God, at the "smooth" behest of this new political "king" of our time, the "small horn" Islamic Leader, who will powerfully control world policy, the same way America controls it today. A new "fierce King" altogether, the "small horn," who is also at that time, the prevailing "king of the North."

And all of this will be made possible, because just before this spiritual deflection of the JW Organization, America, as a particularly powerful "head" of the "five kings" that have fallen -- yes, America will have received the "deathstroke," or the "swordstroke" during the "Great War" that is spoken of by the prophet at Daniel 10:1 (NIV). Bible prophecy indicates that the world's ONLY SUPERPOWER of our modern day times, yes, the United States of America and its mighty military, high technologically advanced army itself, the greatest army in the world itself, will lose this war...and will fare ever so badly, and suffer dearly, in the next World War that is shortly before us. And a newly united Islamic Conference of Nations, the "ten toes" of the mighty statute or "image" envisioned by King Nebuchadnezzar as mentioned in Daniel 2:40-45 will exist at this time. Yes, those "Ten Toes" of this Great "Image" should be correctly understood to also represent the "10 horns" on the top of the "terribly fearsome" beast of Daniel 7:23-26. These "Ten Horns" will thus prove to be the collective entity of Islamic Nations, then under the leadership of Osama bin Laden, the "Small Horn" of Bible Prophecy, who will give American a surprising military defeat, and even apply the "deathstroke" to the only so-called Superpower on earth today, the military machinery of United States of America. And bible prophecy indicates, that they (America) will be defeatedly soundly. Afterwhich, Islam will be in power, worldwide, with devastating consequences for all "Christian" religions of the world, as well as the complete destruction and dismantling of the natural nation of "Israel " in the middle east. All of the above described events ensure the future to be particularly bloody, with the prolific use of biological, chemical and even nuclear warfare to be fully employed, with 1 out of every 4 humans upon this planet, experiencing an early demise! In fact, things will be so bad, that even the ecology of this earth will be completely knocked out for a period of time. Yes, nature out of balance, with wild animals attacking humans because of this imbalance in nature and its surrounding wildlife, accompanied with worldwide famine and the terrific spread of infestious diseases, yes deadly "pestilence," all ravaging the world's population at the same time, just as Jesus Christ himself predicted. -- See Matthew 24:7, 8; Luke 21:10, 11; Revelation 6:3-8; Revelation 13:12, 14.

MORE KEY DEVELOPMENTS: 2 News Items Below

Islamic states want U.S. out of Iraq

Iraq divisions, anger at Israeli strike in Syria, mark summit

ASSOCIATED PRESS


PUTRAJAYA, Malaysia Oct. 11 ? The world?s Islamic states opened their biggest meeting in three years Saturday with a call for the eviction of U.S. troops from Iraq and the rapid restoration of its sovereignty.

Abdelouahed Belkaziz, the OIC?s secretary general, told the officials that Islamic nations ?are still under the strain of extremely difficult challenges and unprecedented threats to our countries? independence, sovereignty, security and courses.?
Top priority should go to ?the eviction of foreign forces from Iraq, allowing the United Nations to administer Iraqi affairs (as a) prelude to restoration of Iraq?s independence, and to the rebuilding of what has been destroyed over the past 20 years, all in accordance with a clear and short timetable,? he said.
Host Malaysia, a moderate, prosperous Southeast Asian country led by blunt-spoken Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad, had attempted to keep the U.S.-picked Iraqi Governing Council from taking the seat formerly held by Saddam Hussein?s government, viewing the council as puppets

Syria declared that it wants the conference to formally condemn Israel?s airstrike against a training base for Palestinian militants on its soil. Damascus claims the base was closed years ago, while Israel insists it was being used recently by suicide bombers plotting attacks.
Syria has run into snags in the U.N. Security Council in persuading European countries to support a resolution condemning Israel, and the United States has threatened a veto.
?We are more hopeful than in any other sphere that the OIC will adopt the resolution supporting our position,? said Bashar Jaafaari, chief of the Syrian delegation.
The OIC has been dismissed by critics as a toothless talk shop with few concrete achievements. Malaysian officials say their nation, as OIC chair for the next three years, will strive to transform the organization into an effective advocate.

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PUTRAJAYA, Malaysia Oct. 12 ? Foreign ministers arriving Sunday at the world?s biggest meeting of Islamic states prepared to welcome Iraq?s new government ? at arm?s length ? and confer another layer of legitimacy to the U.S.-picked body.

THE MINISTERS, representing the 57 member states of the Organization of the Islamic Conference, arrived as lower-ranking officials from their countries put the final touches on agendas for ministerial meetings Monday and Tuesday, to be followed by a full summit of national leaders Thursday and Friday. With the occupation of Iraq and threats to other countries reinforcing unease that the war on terrorism is turning into persecution of Muslims, officials said the ministers and leaders will discuss resolutions welcoming the Iraqi Governing Council and condemning Israel for last week?s airstrike against Syria.
They will also hear host Malaysia, led by blunt-spoken Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad, urge that the 34-year-old organization cast off a reputation as being little more than a talking shop and show more unity as a strong advocate of Muslim nations on the world stage.

DISAGREEMENT WITHIN OIC
The status of Iraq since Saddam Hussein was toppled six months ago had led to disagreement in the OIC, with summit host Malaysia contending that no Iraqi government should be seated with the country under U.S. occupation, and the powerful Arab bloc saying that the Governing Council is transitional and legitimate enough, for now.

The Arab view prevailed, and Iraq will be represented by Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, a Kurd, and by Ayad Alawi, current holder of the council?s rotating leadership.
Delegates said that a resolution would likely welcome the Governing Council but be balanced with calls for Iraq?s return to full independence and sovereignty and control over its own oil.
The resolution ?is more of a welcome and acknowledgment of the Governing Council and considering it as a step in the right direction,? said Musa Braiza, a senior official from Jordan. ?I am not aware of any opposition.?
A resolution condemning Israel for launching an airstrike in Syria ? the first such attack in three decades ? was also expected, Syrian officials said. Israel has claimed that the attack targeted a training camp used by Palestinian militants. Syria insists the camp closed years ago.

PEACEKEEPER RESOLUTION UNLIKELY
Delegates said that no resolution was likely on the issue of sending peacekeepers to Iraq, which has divided Turkey from the Governing Council and other states.

Turkey, which once ruled much of the Arab world, has offered to send peacekeepers without waiting for Iraq to shift from control of the United States to the United Nations, a stumbling block for other Muslim countries demanding a U.N. mandate.
The Governing Council has rejected peacekeepers from neighboring countries, fearing they could end up interfering in Iraq?s internal affairs and that Turkey?s long-running conflict with ethnic Kurdish insurgents could spill over to Kurdish areas of northern Iraq.
The dispute has put the Governing Council on a collision course with its American overseers, who are desperate for foreign troops to relieve the burden on the 130,000 U.S. soldiers in Iraq.
Malaysia?s Mahathir, a staunch opponent of the U.S. invasion, said in an interview with the British Broadcasting Corp. that persistent attacks on U.S. troops show they are unwelcome in Iraq.
Mahathir, 77, who retires Oct. 31 after 22 years in power, said the current scenario in Iraq differed from that after World War II when U.S. troops who helped liberate Paris were showered with thanks.
?But today, we don?t see that thing happening in Iraq,? Mahathir said.

End of article

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Public Apology to Bill Bowen

by IslandWoman in

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bill,.

i forcefully opposed your posts concerning raymond franz.

i must now apologize for all the things i said.. someone i trust has informed me of some things that have caused me to feel that without a doubt your position was the correct one.. ray franz should have supported you and not by his silence add support to the watchtower!

bjc2read

Hi Island Woman:

I hope today, you and I will become "friends". Because you and I are in absolute agreement!

You have just discovered what I found out about jw.com some time ago.

Stop already with this Ray Franz worship, he is a fine person but he is not perfect and he can be wrong sometimes!!! Yeah, I know, incredible but true! I like the man, he though is wrong on the Silent Lambs issue.
Sheesh, this is too much already. Some here have really made a god of him.

You are absolutely right. These people on this discussion board have made a "god" out of him. They are completely blind to his "faults." But Bill Bowens is not. And so are you.

Please check this thread and this will let you know where I'm coming from.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/39360/1.ashx

bjc

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New Light on the United Nations (U.N.) (Scarlet Beast)

by UnDisfellowshipped in

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there appears to be "new light" in the latest watchtower magazine (june 1st 2003 issue).

several watchtower publications for the last 50+ years have said that the united nations (u.n.) organization ("the scarlet-colored wild beast" of revelation) would definitely be the organization that will carry out jehovah's judgment on "babylon the great" (false religion), and then, under satan's [gog of magog's] direction, the united nations organization would become "greedy", and try to attack the remaining remnant of the "anointed" jehovah's witnesses and their companions, the "great crowd" of "other sheep", and then jehovah and jesus would destroy the united nations organization, along with everyone else who was not a jehovah's witness.

here is a quote that shows this: .

bjc2read

Hi Undisfellowshipped:

There was absolutely NO mention of the United Nations or the Scarlet-Colored Wild Beast in the entire Talk about Babylon being destroyed!
At the beginning of his Talk, the Brother said: "Babylon the Great will be destroyed by Political Powers".
Then, later in the Talk, he said that "Jehovah was going to send Jesus and the angels, and Jesus and the angels would DIRECTLY destroy Babylon the Great."

Thanks, for the quote above.

Here is where we have to put on our "thinking caps", I believe. It is vital that we do this immediately so that we can be alert for what is to happen next, as I believe we reach "critical mass" within the JW Organization.

Many have commented that they didn't hear any of this. They say, the speaker in their particular congregations didn't say the same thing that you heard, when they got their particular version of the Special Talk, right?

Maybe something unusual is going on here.

Remember this point made by "Bible Examiner".

"...A "significant re-adjustment" in Watchtower dicta is in the works. Is it important? How so? If you do want to know, then take the time to read the following information, for doctrine is the motivation behind everything that is "Watchtower", and recent happenings within Watchtower-world shed light on the future course of the great ship Watchtower. ...
...So, it's no wonder that the Watchtower is going to change this self-contradictory nonsense by way of sermons given by COs instead of announcing it outright by way of their "channel" journal the Watchtower magazine. After the COs have made their rounds and given "new light" to congregations on a one-at -a-time basis, then the Watchtower can safely discuss Matthew chapter 24 with their new doctrine, and nobody will notice….So they thought! "
Now, here was the main point "BibleExaminer" brought out for us:
"...The CO is giving a talk that in summary says that the allegory of so many years is now GONE. He is teaching that there is no "second" and "greater" fulfillment of Matthew 24:15-16 but that it was fulfilled in complete in the first century, and ONLY UPON JEWRY."
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/9882/117571/post.ashx#117571

A Circuit Overseer was going around, "on a one-on-one basis", teaching this "new light" from the platform. Info, "new light" if you will, on the United Nations Organization. Now how do you suppose he was able to do this, unless first he was "granted permission" to do so from you know who, the WTS itself. (No C.O. that I know, would be stupid enough to think he could teach what amounts to "apostasy" on the UN, bring out his own "new light" from his own opinion, and think he could get away with it!) So we can reasonably conclude, he was given permission to do this.

On that basis, we can call it "regional sampling" or testing on the GB's part. "Testing out the waters" in a particular region (obviously for damage control purposes in case something goes wrong). That's why everybody didn't hear the same thing at the Special Talk. The material was switched, depending upon the area you lived in.

Also, how about these vague and subtle statements appearing in the June 1st, to the same effect that if we actually say specifically the UN carries out the destruction, in the role of the "8th King" and/or the "Scarlet-Colored Wild Beast", if we say specifically then we are "speculating"? JWs have been saying this for many years now. The publications used to say it. But now, to say it is "speculating". Hmmmmmm.

And why would such a statement appear in the June 1st magazine, which by the way, is a "study article" too, so no one will miss it? Why is that particular "directive" there in the first place?

How about the conspicuous ABSENCE of any mention of the UN for some strange reason, in this Special Talk on "Babylon The Great"? Normally, any talk on a subject of this magnitude also covers the notorious "wild beast"/UN attack too, doesn't it? Normally speaking, it does. The UN is always mentioned in these Special Talks on such subjects, as I recall. But we don't find any mention of the UN in this particular Special Talk. Why?

And finally, how about the conspicuous ABSENSE of any mention of the UN for some strange reason in the June 1st Watchtower, where they told us not to "speculate" on such things like who is going to do the actual "attacking". (As if they didn't think we'd notice.) Why?

Yes, I think it is reasonable to conclude that they are ready to change this doctrine alright.

Now compare all this with a revealing recent comment from "Gamaliel" on another thread.

...I just mainly wanted to add that I just spoke last week with two very knowledgable old friends from Bethel (both worked in Writing for many years). One friend especially talked about the aging of the GB, the subtle changes to doctrine for PR and legal purposes, the possibility of JW reform and mainstreaming the religion for survival. He sees very serious trouble.

"Subtle changes to doctrine ...very serious trouble."

Now lets add the final, the most important ingredient:

It has recently been revealed that the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses secretly agreed for the WTS to become NGOs with the UN for a 10 year period.

Along that line, a G.B. member (M. Henschel) is reported to have flashed a UN ID card at assembly overseas showing United Nations "Diplomatic Status", when asked to identify himself to worldly authorities. Or how about the reports we are hearing of G.B. giving the okay for themselves and Missionaries to use UN's Airplanes to travel overseas, etc., etc.

When we think about it my friend, and put it all together, it all makes sense. The G.B. wants to use the UN Organization, with all of its prestige, power and privileges, just like all of the churches are doing and have been doing for years and years now.

So if we put our thinking caps on, yes then, we can safely bet or reason out the fact that the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses does want to change this doctrine (on the Disgusting UN "beast"). And have wanted to do so for some time now. But here's the problem.

How do you "break the news" to the brothers? How do you make such a serious, earthshaking change in doctrine such as this, without incurring great "fallout" from the brothers? How do you do this without creating tremendous upheavals in the organization, who has long built a great disdain and outright HATRED for the United Nations Organization? A HATRED and DISDAIN that you, the Governing Body itself, have instilled and cultivated in these brothers for over 80 years. How do you overcome such a situation?

Remember, this is a teaching that the WTS has promulgated and heralded ever since 1921 or over 80 years? It is a teaching that literally saturates, permeates ALL OF THEIR PRINTED PUBLICATIONS. They have become widely known for this particular brand of iconoclastic "preaching against idols" and fiery condemnations to political institutions to many as a lasting legacy for themselves. And now, before 15 million readers of the Watchtower magazine, before the whole earth, they want to change!

Indeed, by all accounts, to make this change, this is not going to be an easy mountain to climb, even for the powerful Governing Body, if you know what I mean.

bjc

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Did You Ever Aspire To Be Anything Special In The Organization?

by minimus in

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i never wanted to go to bethel but when i was a teenager, i wondered what i would need to do to become a circuit overseer.

bjc2read

Crownboy,

Thanks for your comments. If I think I can add something of value, I'll try to drop a thought here and there.

Uzzah,

Wow!

Then, you know exactly what I'm talking about. You make my case.

I'm feeling ya, brother. I understand the sense of betrayal. And I'm mad too.

Peace & love to you and yours.

126

New Light on the United Nations (U.N.) (Scarlet Beast)

by UnDisfellowshipped in

jw
friends

there appears to be "new light" in the latest watchtower magazine (june 1st 2003 issue).

several watchtower publications for the last 50+ years have said that the united nations (u.n.) organization ("the scarlet-colored wild beast" of revelation) would definitely be the organization that will carry out jehovah's judgment on "babylon the great" (false religion), and then, under satan's [gog of magog's] direction, the united nations organization would become "greedy", and try to attack the remaining remnant of the "anointed" jehovah's witnesses and their companions, the "great crowd" of "other sheep", and then jehovah and jesus would destroy the united nations organization, along with everyone else who was not a jehovah's witness.

here is a quote that shows this: .

bjc2read

The Watchtower, June 1, 2003 Issue, Page 20, Paragraph 11:

"Gog of Magog is identified as Satan the Devil in his debased condition since 1914. As a spirit creature, he cannot carry out his attack directly, but will use human agencies to do his deeds. Who will these human agencies be? The Bible does not give us details, yet it does give us certain indications that can help us to identify who they will be. As world events unfold in fulfilment of Bible propecies, we gradually get an ever clearer picture. Jehovah's people avoid speculation but remain spiritually alert, fully aware of political and religious developments that fit into the framework of Bible prophecy."

This above paragraph I believe, is damaging proof the Governing Body has changed its view on the United Nations Organization. It just takes a little thinking on the JWs parts to sort this out. Especially if they know anything about the NGO situation. This gives rise to some little speck of hope for them. And if they can think that far then, that should open some eyes possibly, as to the real purpose of the "LIBRARY CARD" excuse that the G.B. gave to all of the branches, by way of written correspondence after Nov. 1st 2001. This "new light" paragraph when understood should show the "library card" excuse was a blatant lie all along. That is the only conclusion that a thinking person can reach about it.

But for the greater majority, the ones that cannot see their "noses in front of faces" for the WTS, I wonder how long will it take the little minds of the simpleton r&f JWs to come to understand this point and its enormous impact upon what they teach everyday. That one simple paragraph, paragraph 11 on page 20 of the June 1st, 2003 magazine.

Either way, in the future, I feel this new perspective means simpleton JWs will slowly begin to realize that they can no longer preach or say anything AGAINST THE UN Organization anymore in good conscience, since it would be considered SPECULATION on their parts by the elders. And that would be a big wave of "change" in itself. But simpleton JWs will just have to realize they can no longer talk against the UN. They will have to stop preaching against the UN Organization in field service, after the "new light" is out. And if they persisted in saying something against the UN, then they would have to be "counseled" on "running ahead of the organization" in this matter. In other words, "...Quit speaking against the UN" and "...lets don't go beyond what is written, sister." Which of course means, the little old sister sitting on the back row in the kingdom hall may slowly began to realize that she can no longer offer or use the "Revelation Grand Climax" book anymore in field service since for all practical purposes, yeap, its out of date. (Now for those who are really dense, if she just doesn't get it, some loving pioneer sister or elder will have to bring this to her attention.) Yeap, I'll have to agree, JWs are now in dire need of another NEW book release on Revelation ... AGAIN.

As we wicked "apostates" ponder the present and future implications of the June 1st, 2003 magazine and its predictably profound effects upon the organization of JWs right down to the relentless, blundering little old faithfuls among them that burden the preaching work and brave the bad weather to "feed the sheep" as they say, I think this new change in thought has to go down in history (to all thinking persons) as one of the most blatant, glaring examples of the WTS being "false prophets" on record!

Now after this article is studied at the "king-dumb hall," we are really going to see just how stupid they really are -- just as soon as they start to preach this "new light" to thinking persons (who were previously exposed to their "Wild Beast" dogma) OUTSIDE the dumb zone.

bjc