how do i know the bible is true?
by thomas schaff.
external evidence.
SC,
I have a question: do you believe the Biblical account of Jesus Christs place of birth and crucifixion are accurate? Secular history supports it as well.
Interesting - care to show me where.
Only if and when God opens your eyes, and you search the Scriptures open mindedly, will you realize how truly awe inspiring and wonderful God's word is
So God needs to open my eyes? That is interesting - please ask him to do so because he has never listened to me. Maybe he likes you more.
Jack
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what kind of person do you think god is?
do you see god as your friend or are you in constant fear of being destroyed by him?
With a seeing eye donkey
how do i know the bible is true?
by thomas schaff.
external evidence.
No scientific fact has ever disproved the Bible in any way
No scientific fact has ever disproved that you were not a fruit bat in a prior life either...whoopee
i have often wondered if many people would be better off if they stayed witnesses.
some people i have known have really gone off the deep end after they left the watchtower.
most all of my family have left now (not due to me as i was cut off from them for years) and many others i know who have left are now bitter atheists or have become pagans and worship stones or new ageers playing with crystals.
Jerry,
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/misquotes.html is the link.
Do you have some way for me to contact you?
i have often wondered if many people would be better off if they stayed witnesses.
some people i have known have really gone off the deep end after they left the watchtower.
most all of my family have left now (not due to me as i was cut off from them for years) and many others i know who have left are now bitter atheists or have become pagans and worship stones or new ageers playing with crystals.
Jerry,
Thanks for your gracious reply. I sincerely appreciate it and at the same time apologise for my harsh tone in response to your first set of posts.
I tend to agree with the view point Alan articulated that having editorial changes or typo corrections is entirely different than what I read with regard to the quotes I posted. Are we willing to give the WT the same "out" and let them say that their errors and omissions fall in the same category?
Further, I respect your education - jealously so to be frank with you. But it is frustrating to me that you have that education, work as a scientist and yet you flittingly disregard the requirements of evidence in reaching your conclusions about God. Would you care to explain these and specifically why you picked Christianity.
Funnily enough in a way I do agree with you that SOME of the xJWs might have been better off as witnesses. Why is that? Is it because we know some JW's who treat us better than some of the xJWs have done? As far as my parents go I hope they stay JW's till the end because the consequences to them if they knew the truth about the "truth". I met with someone today and we were talking about religion and I told him that I have nothing better to offer him than his religion does, except that I feel no guilt from sin, live my life without considering what some mythical creator thinks, and I have lot more time to wrap myself into doing what I want to. On the other hand he has a hope for the future - I don't. If I sincerely believed in a hope (even if it was false) would I want it? Honestly, I don't know the answer to that.
Jack
the donkey is trying to figure this out: faith is a learned quality - right?
no one is born with faith but they have to learn to have faith in god.
so do infants have faith?
Humans like to believe they are right. When confronted with a scenario that makes them uncomfortable they prefer to hide or ignore the view.
I had this discussion with someone at work today who is Catholic and he said that babies are placed in a special place like limbo.
the donkey is trying to figure this out: faith is a learned quality - right?
no one is born with faith but they have to learn to have faith in god.
so do infants have faith?
The donkey is trying to figure this out:
If so why is abortion such a bad thing? You believe the embryo is a child and abortion would then ensure that the "child" would go straight to heaven....
Why is infanticide a bad thing? You just ensured that the "child" would go straight to heaven....
In both cases you have spared the infants from the risk of making bad choices and guaranteed that they live forever in heavenly bliss
I happen to believe from my own personal atheistic moral vantage point that infanticide is a terrible thing - I am just trying to figure out how Christians justify it as bad for the infant.
Jack
Edited by - donkey on 30 December 2002 15:34:25
22 and the lord god said, behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:.
23 therefore the lord god sent him forth from the garden of eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.. 24 so he drove out the man: and he placed at the east of the garden of eden cherubim, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.. .
if he would eat from that tree, he would have live forever.
Talking snakes are cool
wih the permission of simon, i would like to start a thread to act as a collection of thought, quotes and miscellany on atheism and agnosticism.
there are so many other threads on this subject but no one place which one can go to on here.
i have much to share - enjoy and contribute with me please.give me the storm and stress of thought and action rather than the dead calm of ignorance and faith.
Why do most humans have morals and don't want to hurt other humans, when most animals simply live by "survival of the fittest"?
Undisfellowshipped,
So if MOST animals don't want to hurt other animals then do the remaining ones have the guidance of God? Are they true worshippers?
Also, there are religions that do not believe in the same God as you do, yet they have moral principles in their teachings - how do you know they aren't right and Christianity is wrong?
Then there are atheists who don't try to hurt others and in fact are more peace loving and less judgemental than most of the Christians I have met here - why is God showing them the right way but failing to do so with his own people who claim to love him and follow him?
Survival of the fittest requires us to have the ability to make love and to make war...
Jack
my most painful confession
note to simon: i will use some expletives, but i hope that they will be retained as this is intended to be an otherwise civil and thoughtful post to all my fellow ex-jws.
please read on, as this is most painful.
Jim,
See you soon my friend - I have news for you too. As always I admire you and respect you immensely.
