the revised edition of the bible teach book is up on jw.org with a new cover..
Funny, I had a link in my previous post to an image of the cover on the jw.org website. I wondered how long before they'd break the link. It took less than 18 minutes!
Wankers.
It's so dumb. All I had to do was download the book, take a screenshot of the cover and upload it to photobucket.
What a bunch of paranoid, albeit impotent, fools.
and back
the revised edition of the bible teach book is up on jw.org with a new cover..
What a boring cover!
Bland has a new shade of gray.
if you are/were an active jw, you are now here on jwn so, for whatever your reasons, you woke up to some degree- hopefully a great degree.
so what i am saying may not apply to you.. i know that if i had not already left, i would have stormed out on the day they studied "overlapping generation.
" i am quite confident i couldn't have stayed for such an obvious switcharoo just to make the end seem imminent and try to explain how wts was wrong, but not entirely wrong in the past.. but i had to wonder how that change (or others) didn't cause most jw's to walk out.
Phizzy: It took a personal crisis to get me to that point, and I think that is what it will take for most people, at least for those who chose as adults to join. It takes a lot to break through the cognitive dissonance, that is why it's so hard to break through to a believing JW.
This is a very important statement.
It was certainly true in my case. When I think about those that have woken up and left the religion, they all had to go through some sort of personal crisis that forced them to confront their beliefs and the unreality and lack of logic or coherence which characterize those beliefs. That often propagates its own personal crisis. It's a process to be sure.
if you are/were an active jw, you are now here on jwn so, for whatever your reasons, you woke up to some degree- hopefully a great degree.
so what i am saying may not apply to you.. i know that if i had not already left, i would have stormed out on the day they studied "overlapping generation.
" i am quite confident i couldn't have stayed for such an obvious switcharoo just to make the end seem imminent and try to explain how wts was wrong, but not entirely wrong in the past.. but i had to wonder how that change (or others) didn't cause most jw's to walk out.
OTWO, great thread. Really good thought provoking stuff.
Ultimately it comes down to this: wanting to believe something does not make it so. We should demand evidence, real evidence. Not the illusion or suggestion of evidence such as using the word "evidently" or others like it as if they are the same as real proof.
Hassan suggests that the best way to get someone to wake up and recognized their in a cult is to gently and slowly point out the logical flaws and fallacies of other religions that are identical to those in whatever cult they are in, in this case: JWs. NEVER ATTACK THEIR BELIEFS DIRECTLY! That will only invoke their cult personality and trigger "thought stopping" slogans.
I also think that the teaching of critical thinking skills is another key component. Even then, there are no guarantees that any particular person will wake up. Some people really do want to be led.
i came across a great quote.... the distinction between cult and religion lies squarely in how those leaving or those wanting to leave are treated.. hits the nail on the head for me!.
.
WhatNow, thanks for the reference!
my mother's church was having a christmas breakfast this past weekend and needed a santa ... i volunteered.. these little ones thought i was the real deal and one is my child.
.
when we returned home she went right up to my wife and said ... "mom, santa is real!".
Ho, ho, ho!
This is a new twist on the "double life"!
after some considerable thought i have decided that i will no longer post on this forum because i want to return to jehovah.
thank you for all the kindness and many interesting discussions over the years.
i wish you all well in the future and the decisions you make.
Slimboy, ditto what Phizzy said!
hey guys!
here's what i found to be the best way (for me at least) to debate jw's without earning the laber of apostate.
this is mostly valid when debating jw's that don't know you personally, but it could help with those that do too.
I prefer the approach Billy the ex-Bethelite discussed: pretend someone else--a friend, relative, workmate, someone in "the ministry"--asked the question and you were stumped.
It's gold!
i came across a great quote.... the distinction between cult and religion lies squarely in how those leaving or those wanting to leave are treated.. hits the nail on the head for me!.
.
WN, what/who is the source of this quote?
i know a couple of jws in my town that are both very wealthy.
one has upscale retail stores and owns a property development company.
the other has a large service company and owns a lot of real estate.
I think you know the answer to that question!
