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There ya' go being all logical!
Oubliette
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"jehovah loves all sorts of people"
by stuckinarut2 inok, so if you haven't as yet watched the new cartoon clip on the website, be prepared to throw up!.
it is called "jehovah loves all sorts of people", and features an awful song about how "jehovah loves everyone" even "different colors", etc....yep...they actually say that!.
huh??????.
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"jehovah loves all sorts of people"
by stuckinarut2 inok, so if you haven't as yet watched the new cartoon clip on the website, be prepared to throw up!.
it is called "jehovah loves all sorts of people", and features an awful song about how "jehovah loves everyone" even "different colors", etc....yep...they actually say that!.
huh??????.
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Oubliette
Q: How does Jehovah show that he loves all sorts of people? He shows his love by threatening to kill them if they don't blindly follow whatever the 7 idiots in Brooklyn say he says to do.Q: How can you show it too? By shunning anyone that disagrees with you.
So go out and love all sorts of people, except gay ones, people with differing beliefs, former JWs, current JWs that speak out against injustices and wrongdoing in the organization ... you get the idea!
Let's review: It's a cult!
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Kendrick " Letter of Introduction " from Elders regarding Candace Conti Case
by flipper inas many of us saw in the pbs news hour program and the abc news nightline program the elders from one congregation failed to communicate properly to the elders in another congregation concerning the child molester jonathan kendrick when he moved to a new congregation.
i have parts of this " introduction letter " from the fremont congregation to the oakley congregation elders so you can read it for yourself and decide how irresponsible these wt appointed elders were.
dated 1/16/98 it opens : .
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Oubliette
Wasn't this letter part of the discovery process in the Conti case?
If so, the actual letter (or a facsimile) should be available online as part of the public court records.
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Why do we get TTATT and others don't?
by quest81 ini have thought about how ttatt came full circle for me.
how the connecting the dots was simple and just made sense,.
how silos of information are literally at our fingertips today.. why is it that the ones we love cannot get ttatt?.
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D4G, I totally agree that the majority of manipulators don't read some book on How to Manipulate and Control Others, but that doesn't mean that some people do not.
The WTBTS has published many articles on the subject proving that they have at some time given conscious thought to the subject. (See for example the series of articles on the subject of Propaganda in the June 2000 Awake! magazine).
Again, CD theory explains why many people continue to hold on to beliefs that are demonstrably wrong.
There are a large number of manipulative techniques which do not require disconfirming evidence and a corresponding "doubling down" on the part of the person being manipulated.
For example, Fear, Obligation and Guilt are classic ways that manipulators seek to control others. The person being controlled may or may not rationalize their involvement and participation. Cognitive dissonance is not necessary nor is it always involved in the process.
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Kendrick " Letter of Introduction " from Elders regarding Candace Conti Case
by flipper inas many of us saw in the pbs news hour program and the abc news nightline program the elders from one congregation failed to communicate properly to the elders in another congregation concerning the child molester jonathan kendrick when he moved to a new congregation.
i have parts of this " introduction letter " from the fremont congregation to the oakley congregation elders so you can read it for yourself and decide how irresponsible these wt appointed elders were.
dated 1/16/98 it opens : .
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Oubliette
Ok then, they mention he has anger issues, recognize that he has an interest in "young ones," without disclosing what that is and completely fail to mention his history of molestation!
Nice.
Let's review: It's a cult!
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Why do we get TTATT and others don't?
by quest81 ini have thought about how ttatt came full circle for me.
how the connecting the dots was simple and just made sense,.
how silos of information are literally at our fingertips today.. why is it that the ones we love cannot get ttatt?.
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Oubliette
Cognitive dissonance (CD) and mind-control/manipulation are two different things.
CD theory explains why many people continue to hold on to beliefs that are demonstrably wrong.
It does not account very well for why other people call "bullshit" in the same situation.
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Are Jehovah's Witnesses Happy?
by minimus ini know of the local congregation's issues, per an elder i know quite well.
he has said that nearly everyone in the congregation is suffering emotionally and mentally.
he said he has never seen so many witnesses with so many problems.
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Oubliette
From Paul Grundy at jwfacts:
Watchtower Quotes Regarding Jehovah's Witnesses being the Happiest People on Earth
The Watchtower claims Jehovah's Witnesses are the happiest people on earth, without any evidence or statistics to support such an outlandish claim. These types of comments are a type of logical fallacy referred to as a sweeping generalisation.
Watchtower 1999 10/1 p. 8 par. 13
Of course, the fact that Jehovahs servants "weep" over the sorry state of world affairs does not preclude their being happy. On the contrary! They are actually the happiest group of people on earth.Watchtower 1999 10/1 pp.6-7
[Pictures on page 6, 7] Although Christians "weep" because of world conditions ... they are actually the happiest people in the worldWatchtower 1997 May 1 p.23
[Pictures on page 23] The messengers of godly peace are the happiest people on earth todayWatchtower 1995 Jan 15 p.12 par. 7
Our close relationship with Jehovah makes us the happiest people on earth.Watchtower 1993 May 1 p.21 par. 24
Such loving labors have made the slave class the happiest people on earth today, and they have made millions of other people happy tooWatchtower 1989 Mar 1 p.3
In fact, as a group, they are the most privileged, the most successful, and by far the happiest group on earth today, as you will see in the next article.Watchtower 1988 Mar 1 p.17
Indeed, in every country, Jehovah's people are the best and the happiest!Watchtower 1975 Feb 1 p.92 par. 21
The happiest people on earth are Jehovah's people and they are chiefly among the poor as concerns the things that the world prizes highlyWatchtower 1971 Sep 15 p.564 par. 22
All who seek a place in the redeemed society of mankind thereby come into association with the happiest people on earth, Jehovahs Witnesses. These are the only people who know for a certainty where they are going.Watchtower 1962 Sep 1 p.530 par. 22
In the New World society of Jehovah's Witnesses you find people from all walks of life, many of whom lack diplomas from mans centers of learning; yet these people know the Bible, they are teachers. They accept with eagerness the obligation of teaching others Gods Word. They do it year after year with the same love of God and appreciation for spiritual food as when they first tasted it. They are the happiest and most peaceful persons on earth.Watchtower 1960 Feb 1 p.74 par. 17
Now Jehovah's Witnesses are blessed above all others because they are the happiest, most peaceful and contented people on earthKingdom Ministry Feb 2002 p.1 par. 1 The Happiest People on Earth
"Happy is the people whose God is Jehovah!" (Ps. 144:15) Those words describe Jehovah's Witnesses as the happiest people on earth.Kingdom Ministry Feb 1994 p.5 par. 16
We are the happiest people on the face of the earth, knowing that on becoming approved we will receive the crown of life. Jas. 1:12. -
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Are Jehovah's Witnesses Happy?
by minimus ini know of the local congregation's issues, per an elder i know quite well.
he has said that nearly everyone in the congregation is suffering emotionally and mentally.
he said he has never seen so many witnesses with so many problems.
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Why do we get TTATT and others don't?
by quest81 ini have thought about how ttatt came full circle for me.
how the connecting the dots was simple and just made sense,.
how silos of information are literally at our fingertips today.. why is it that the ones we love cannot get ttatt?.
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Oubliette
This is a great question without an easy or clear answer.
I see you're relatively new on this forum, but probably by know you've noticed that there is no clear pattern to or common denominator about those of us that "woke up" and saw this religion for the cult that it is.
- Intelligence is not necessarily the factor. There are some pretty smart people that have been in the religion all of their life, and there are others that aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer but can clearly see the corruption and lies of WT leadership
- Being born-in or not makes little difference
- Age is irrelevant
- So is gender
- Education helps, but not always
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When you examine what it was that specifically got a person to start doubting and/or questioning, you find that there are many reasons and they are not the same for everyone.
I started doubting and questioning because of the lack of academic scholarship of the WT publications, but it was when I discovered about the UN/NGO scandal that it all began unraveling for me. Yet I tried to tell my then-wife (now-ex) about it and she literally covered her ears.
For others its:
- Pedophiles in the congregation and the WT coverup
- The blood issue
- 607 BCE
- Shunning
- Ever changing doctrines
- Hypocrisy of the elders/CO/GB
- The fake attitude of "the friends" in the congregation
- WT dishonesty about, well you name it!
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The list is long.
It will be interesting to see what others contribute to your thread!
Oubliette
- Intelligence is not necessarily the factor. There are some pretty smart people that have been in the religion all of their life, and there are others that aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer but can clearly see the corruption and lies of WT leadership
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Something a CO once said.
by cappytan in"there are only three reasons you should miss a meeting.
fever, fracture or funeral.
everything else is a sorry excuse.
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sir82: Bethel thinks that far too many elders are way too lenient
Yes.
The beating will continue until morale improves!
