to all brothers and sisters reading this site: "and i love you so" (remember the don mclean song?
)...is the feeling most of us had with regard to the watchtower and the brothers leading it.
but truly, who did we get baptized for?
a watcher: We have a banquet of spiritual food
I agree the GB provide an "abundance" of literature: books, magazines, web-content and now cartoons and video broadcasts.
There problem is: It's all full of lies, deceptions, half-truths, no-truth, greedy, manipulative, controlling trash.
i remember the days when jws were proud of their religion, they walked tall and carried their big stick, their bibles, proudly.
now, it's embarrassing for a witness to admit their faith to others.
the average witness can't explain their beliefs, as they have changed so many times.
Something wrong with that picture. I mean imagine having to ask some authority what YOU believe. Can it really be called a belief if it was assigned to you by someone else?
Excellent point. The "beliefs" of JWs are dictated to them by uneducated, isolated, paranoid and delusional psychopaths.
i had a couple of elders come visit me about an hour ago.
they wanted to inform me that a brother who was well known throughout the circuit had died.
(i actually knew about it but did not go to the funeral) he was about to hit 90 years old, missed it by a few weeks.
They said, “She will have to find out when she calls next January.”
What assholes.
"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would
have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things.
But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." - Steven Weinberg
about a week ago i posted to ask for some suggestions on how handle my (pre-teen) sons upcoming trip with his father trip to bethel this summer.
i got some wonderful suggestions.
some of which was to leave him alone, as he will see through the bullshxt himself.
Dad “The organization is a non-for profit. That means they GIVE AWAY the literature. You never have to pay for anything. That is a beauty of Jehovah’s organization.”
Clearly dad does not understand what "not-for-profit" means. Plenty of non-profits sell things.
Check out this list of the Top 100 Nonprofits on the Web.
Here are links to a couple of examples:
#3 - The Museum of Modern Art's online store: MoMA Store
#6 - Shopping at the Smithsonian
And as for the "you never have to pay for anything" comment: Who does he think pays for EVERYTHING the organization has and does? That's the hypocrisy of the organization!
It's hard to talk to people that are ignorant and refuse to reason or listen.
http://www.jw.org/en/publications/jw-convention-releases-2015/.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc7cyswlvwg.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfmuamqiv4k.
Cuckoo, what is that thing? Jabba the Frog Turd?
quote from the watchtower, march 15, 2015, page 23:.
in the illustration of the faithful and discreet slave, jesus spoke of an evil slave who beat his fellow slaves.
jesus was not there foretelling that an evil slave class would arise.
Marvin: It turns out that only apostates could advise the fact of an evil slave.
Then allow me to be the one to identify the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses as successfully fulfilling this "prophecy" as the "Evil Slave."
These seven men are as evil as evil gets. Anything "worse," is only a matter of degree.
you know about my not-so-ugly divorce and how me and my wife found out the religion is false.
she still attends while my 17 year old has been raging on me about all the wasted time he suffered from by being in this religion.
he think's his life is ruined, very angry we did not learn this was a cult earlier(he was 14 when he stopped attending after reading the revelation book, he said "in all time and history, how could a trumpet blown in revelation have anything to do with a jw bible student convention statement"?.
You've gotten some great advice so far, so I'll add this: "Son, you're right when you ask why didn't we learn TTATT sooner, but have you ever considered what your life would be like if we STILL thought it was "the Truth" like so many others?"
"We figured it out when we figured it out. Yes, it could have been sooner, but it also could have been later or never at all."
"As for your life being 'ruined,' you're really be a bit of a drama queen."
jwfacts show that publisher growth was 15% pre- 1975 and has decline to about 2%.
what prevents them from fudging the annual growth and keeping it at something more positive like 10%?.
"a great crowd that no man is able to number".
i had a sudden realization the other day, one that took me many years to make but that should have been fairly obvious in hindsight.
let me explain.. my parents are immigrants.
they moved to the u.s. when i was a toddler.
DOC: I'm still looking for an excuse that makes me feel better about ME being so gullible and naive for almost all of my life.
You don't need an excuse. If you don't know the methods of mental manipulation and mind-control then you don't know them.
It's as simple as that.
Thank yourself that there is something about you that eventually saw through it and was strong enough to say, "No!"
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for some background, i am still in.
still an elder.
very much awake.
TTATTElder: well if there are problems then jehovah will reveal them in time... There are many examples of problems in Jehovah's organization in the past
Maybe Jehovah IS revealing them in our time, right now!
In the past, many times the kings, Pharisees and others were corrupt and did NOT have Jehovah's approval. You wouldn't want to have been on the wrong side of that then and we most certainly don't want to be on the wrong side of it now.
