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  need clarification: i told my wife the type and anti-type abolishment made the FDS a parable and not factual. boy did this piss her off

  by goingthruthemotions in

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  let's just say i sometimes don't know how to keep my trap shut.

  i really need to learn to keep well enough alone when she attacks me.

  keep in mind i never start the fights about the borg.

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  Tell your wife it's better to be pissed off than pissed on.
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  Looking for ideas.

  by Driving Force in

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  i received an email from one of the elder in the local congregation.

  i am not dfed so there is not a problem there, i am just an aggressive fader.. one of the last things i said to this elder before i stopped all activities was that i do not agree with the borg taking all the assets from the congregations.. here is what the elder said in the email:.

  "i recently saw something while looking through the jw broadcasting for the month of may and i though about you.

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  TTATTElder: The main point I am making with my wife lately is pointing out the absence of a public financial statement that lets people know where their donation is going

  This is huge.

  THIS IS HUGE!

  Why does every congregation give a public accounts report EVERY SINGLE MONTH but the branches and the World-Wide Headquarters NEVER DO?

  Let's review: It's a cult!
  
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  Young Girl Exposes Jehovah's Witnesses at school video goes VIRAL last 2 days 273,000 views

  by Watchtower-Free in

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  original thread here.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/291080001/brave-high-school-student-exposes-abuse-corruption-within-jehovahs-witnesses.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdvt_gyq-ls.

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  They told me I was guilty of making him masturbate.

  This sounds like the elders are projecting.

  In the 20+ years I was an elder serving on way-too-many Judicial Committees I learned from personal experience: many of the elders are closet perverts.
  
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  Blame the imperfect people not the organization?

  by Ghiagirl in

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  2. experiences

  i met with a good family friend of mine who is a jw but will still hang out with me...apparently after this last time trying to encourage me.

  lol.

  but i shared a fraction of how i feel about the organization not to disrespect his beliefs, he just went off on the usual well it's an organization run by imperfect men and you can let the people affect you and need to remember it's the right religion and we need to put all that aside.

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  "We are the most perfect imperfect organization on earth!" .....Followed by applause. What does that even mean?

  I got this! I means: It's a cult!

  
  
  
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  Looking for ideas.

  by Driving Force in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i received an email from one of the elder in the local congregation.

  i am not dfed so there is not a problem there, i am just an aggressive fader.. one of the last things i said to this elder before i stopped all activities was that i do not agree with the borg taking all the assets from the congregations.. here is what the elder said in the email:.

  "i recently saw something while looking through the jw broadcasting for the month of may and i though about you.

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  Stephen Lett: We don't "coerce" our members for funds like those other guys. But I'm going to spend the next hour telling you we have a shortfall of funds.
  
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  Blame the imperfect people not the organization?

  by Ghiagirl in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i met with a good family friend of mine who is a jw but will still hang out with me...apparently after this last time trying to encourage me.

  lol.

  but i shared a fraction of how i feel about the organization not to disrespect his beliefs, he just went off on the usual well it's an organization run by imperfect men and you can let the people affect you and need to remember it's the right religion and we need to put all that aside.

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  well it's an organization run by imperfect men

  Yes it is. Just like every other religion on Earth.
  

  remember it's the right religion

  No it isn't. See above.
  

  we need to put all that aside.

  No we don't. Why should we do that? We don't do that concerning any other religion. Again, see above.
  

  There is no reasoning with these people.

  That is correct.
  
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  Spirituality

  by Jonathan Drake in

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  if you are a current practitioner of some religious faith i would appreciate it if you abstained from this thread entirely.

  im curious if anyone has had what could be discribed as a spiritual experience.

  i'm currently reading sam harris book waking up and it's very good so far.

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  DJS, thanks for reading and re-reading my initial post. Of course, this is MY take on what Sam Harris has to say on the subject. If you really want to know what he has to say you should read his book yourself.
  

  He most certainly is not referring to any belief system that involves any deity, certainly not like those described by the Abrahamic religions.

  BTW, it's Oubliette, not Oublittle. Spelling counts!
  
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  A Tug on the Leash (The Authority Which the GB Wields Over the R&F)

  by Oubliette in

  1. watchtower
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  recently, several comments have been made in various threads in reference to some of the recent changes to a few of the rules by which jehovah's witnesses must live their lives in unquestioning compliance.

  the assertion has been made that these rules are a "relaxing" of previous restrictions.

  the suggestion has been made that this somehow indicates a corresponding relaxing or loosening or lessening of the authority which the governing body (gb) holds over the rank and file (r&f) members of the religion.

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  DD: Instead of the GB teaching that slaves of Jesus must take care of the least ones, they twist it into a lesson about respecting their position as GB.

  Yeah, how did "slaves" become everyone's "Master"?

  It happened through an Orwellian twist of newspeak. Which for those of you that know, is doubleplusungood. It's a blackwhite bellyfeel.
  

  Let's review: It's a cult!
  
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  Spirituality

  by Jonathan Drake in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you are a current practitioner of some religious faith i would appreciate it if you abstained from this thread entirely.

  im curious if anyone has had what could be discribed as a spiritual experience.

  i'm currently reading sam harris book waking up and it's very good so far.

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  DJS: Seriously, if evidence of said spirt [sic] or spirits is ever presented that can be verified I will believe.

  I appreciate the gist of your comment and in most other contexts would completely agree, but itis not really relevant to this thread because Sam Harris explicitly does NOT use the word "spirituality" with this meaning.

  Please see my comments regarding this on page 1 of this thread.

  Thanks,
  

  Oubliette
  
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  A Tug on the Leash (The Authority Which the GB Wields Over the R&F)

  by Oubliette in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  recently, several comments have been made in various threads in reference to some of the recent changes to a few of the rules by which jehovah's witnesses must live their lives in unquestioning compliance.

  the assertion has been made that these rules are a "relaxing" of previous restrictions.

  the suggestion has been made that this somehow indicates a corresponding relaxing or loosening or lessening of the authority which the governing body (gb) holds over the rank and file (r&f) members of the religion.

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  Orphan Crow, thanks for linking the article on Stockholm Syndrome and excerpting some relevant quotes.

  Of course we can't know for certain, but the skill with which the WT leadership employ sophisticated methods of mental manipulation suggest that they do so in a planned and calculated way.

  I suppose they could possibly be savants at abuse, control and manipulation, but I have come to believe the evidence points in the other direction.