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  Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

  by LAWHFol in

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  i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

  i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

  "atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

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  Oubliette

  Carl Sagan had this to say about that:

  • The idea that God is an oversized white male with a flowing beard who sits in the sky and tallies the fall of every sparrow is ludicrous. But if by God one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God. This God is emotionally unsatisfying... it does not make much sense to pray to the law of gravity. - As quoted in "Scientists & Their Gods" in U.S. News & World Report Vol. 111 (1991)

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  • An atheist is someone who is certain that God does not exist, someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God. I know of no such compelling evidence. Because God can be relegated to remote times and places and to ultimate causes, we would have to know a great deal more about the universe than we do to be sure that no such God exists. To be certain of the existence of God and to be certain of the nonexistence of God seem to me to be the confident extremes in a subject so riddled with doubt and uncertainty as to inspire very little confidence indeed. - Conversations with Carl Sagan (2006)
    
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  Does the RC have the names of the 1006 abused victims?

  by Dumplin in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i've updated my jw wife on the highlights of the rc proceedings each day as they occur.

  but tonight she said something that made my blood boil (which i am usually in complete control of).

  she said something to the effect that victims need to not dwell on what happened and let it control their lives.

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  Great thoughts in the OP. However, you should know that there are not 1006 victims of sexual abuse by JWs in Australia, there are/were 1006 abusers identified by the WTBTS.

  Many, perhaps even most, sexual predators abuse multiple victims. Also, there are no doubt many cases of abuse that were never documented by or reported to the elders.

  These are important distinctions if one is to really grasp the magnitude of this problem.
  
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  Aussie Article: The Saturday Paper - Royal commission examines Jehovah Witnesses cover-up

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/law-crime/2015/08/01/royal-commission-examines-jehovah-witnesses-cover/14383512002194 .

  royal commission examines jehovah witnesses cover-up.

  newsaug 1, 2015. martin mckenzie-murray the jehovahs witnesses fiercely literal reading of the bible has distanced them from the law and politics, but the royal commission into child sexual abuse is ending that..

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  Great article, thanks for sharing.
  
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  Dr Applewhite and Child Abuse

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am shocked that an expert would simply examine only the literature given to her by the organisation she was defending and simply accept it.

  also the ease she has in making huge sweeping statements when comparing the jw's to all other international religious organisations simply undermines her professionalism.. i am also thoroughly shocked at her blatant, 'expert for hire', 'will defend anyone' apparent decision making, the organisation is responsible for covering up thousands of abuse victims by its own records, in australia alone!

  never mind their judicial process being heartless and traumatic!.

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  Orphan Crow, I get your point, but that's not how it works in adversarial legal systems. "Experts" are hired by both sides to prove their side and only their side.
  

  You're confusing theoretical science with the legal system.
  
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  Dr Applewhite and Child Abuse

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am shocked that an expert would simply examine only the literature given to her by the organisation she was defending and simply accept it.

  also the ease she has in making huge sweeping statements when comparing the jw's to all other international religious organisations simply undermines her professionalism.. i am also thoroughly shocked at her blatant, 'expert for hire', 'will defend anyone' apparent decision making, the organisation is responsible for covering up thousands of abuse victims by its own records, in australia alone!

  never mind their judicial process being heartless and traumatic!.

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  S&R: I am shocked that an expert would simply examine only the literature given to her by the organisation she was defending and simply accept it.

  Why should you be shocked that someone did what they were hired to do and nothing more?

  She is an "expert witness," not a researcher.
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  Dr Monica Applewhite!

  by username in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i'm just listening to this so called doctors testimony.

  where did the watchtower dig her up from.

  her answers have mostly been maybe's and i think!.

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  Mad Sweeney: I'm starting to think this might be a cult.

  I'm starting to think you might be right!
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  After Watching Dr. Monica, I Thought It Appropriate To Bring Out This Gem Again.

  by Magwitch in

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  to all bodies of elders.

  re: spiral binding of shepherding textbook.

  dear brothers :.

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  Perfect! I was thinking about this just this morning. Thanks for posting!!!
  
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  [Day 4 - 31/7]The Royal Commissions investigation of child sexual abuse within Jehovah’s Witnesses. + VIDEO

  by C0ntr013r in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  by popular demand i give you day 4, and i will finally get a couple of days to sleep .

  part 1 has been uploaded and part 2,3 and 4 will soon be available.. part 1:.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lmlcdqesa0&list=plpq6kz-aghvqbadlzmqn26dvmpzddxlui&index=11.

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  C0ntr013r, thanks for posting these!
  

  Very important stuff.
  
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  Day 4 Looks to Be Live at Any Moment - Link...and Upcoming Witness List!

  by LostGeneration in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

  anyone know who this monty baker is?

  i'm sure this guy will be able to tell the rc how things work behind the scenes without all the evasiveness, being that he is an "apostate".

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  S&R: Yet the average JW knows far more than him about what goes on and simp,y [sic] ignores it.

  I have to disagree. From both my personal experience and reading those of countless members of this board, it is clear that the majority of "average JWs" do NOT know what goes on. They are insulated from being aware of the scope of problems with their religion and are indoctrinated to believe that the problems they do know about are exceptions and isolated instances due to "the imperfections of men."

  This is why something like this RC is so huge, it reveals the true scope of the massive, institutional cover-up which the WT leadership has systematically implemented for decades.
  
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  Day 4 Looks to Be Live at Any Moment - Link...and Upcoming Witness List!

  by LostGeneration in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

  anyone know who this monty baker is?

  i'm sure this guy will be able to tell the rc how things work behind the scenes without all the evasiveness, being that he is an "apostate".

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  So she DOES know that the GB is the theoretical head of this organization. She also knows that JWs believe elders are appointed by Holy Spirit.

  Funny how she suddenly "remembers" details when specifically queried.

  She even knows there are "other kinds of overseers" besides just elders.

  So her show of apparently limited knowledge earlier was just an act. Figures.