DOC: Set boundaries. Be firm (not mean).
I'm with DOC on this one. You need to redefine your relationship.
Here's an older thread you may appreciate:
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I'm a coward.
by cappytan insince the move, it has been so enjoyable to not have jw's breathing down our necks asking why we didn't make the meeting, or having to pretend to be "spiritual" in front of family all the time.. 90% of my week is virtually stress free.
then, my mom calls or texts wanting to talk to her grandkids.
every dang call, she asks about the new congregation, if we went to the meeting, etc.. why can't i tell her to fk off?
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I went down in the first Round!
by John Aquila inthere is a visitor brother in town and from what ive been told, he has been a missionary for many years and they were having a get together for him.
i took my mom to that get-together yesterday and stayed for a few minutes.
i heard a group around a table with the visitor brother talking about how hard it was getting in the world with so many distractions and that many of the brothers were falling into the trap and leaving jehovahs organization.
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John, you did lose that round. And the reason is that you fell into the trap of numbers of believers or lack thereof somehow being proof of the rightness or wrongness of beliefs.
At one point, everyone on Earth likely believed the planet was flat. They were all wrong.
It was a good response on his part.
A parry and thrust might have been, "You know, all of the heroes of the Bible--from the prophets up until Jesus--were noted for courageously speaking out about the religious hypocrisy of a nation dedicated to God but that had fallen away from true, pure worship. Where are these heroes today?"
If he tried to say, "We speak out against Christendom ..." the BIBLICAL response would be, "No, you don't get it. The heroes of the Bible didn't speak out against false beliefs and practices of OTHER nations. They spoke out against the religious hypocrisy and cowardice of their own leaders!"
Just remember, they killed Jesus for his outspokenness. Your mileage may vary.
Let's review: It's a cult!
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If your Bethelite Brother Doesn't Know About It, It Musn't Be True
by HomebytheSea ina few weeks ago my deeply indoctrinated father who is a long time elder was wondering why we hadn't been attending meetings, and why my 8 yr old son wasn't on the theocratic school ( sounds like i almost off the hook with that one...lol).
we live in a different state, but i came to find out that one of the elders in our hall called my father, who he never met, to see why our meeting attendance had been so sporadic (i am in my mid-40's, so that knowledge made my blood boil, to put it mildly!
i tried not to answer, but he kept pressuring me, so i brought up the arc and child abuse cases i had heard of in our area.
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[Dad] ... said, "Don't worry about it, Jehovah will take care of it!" I said, " Well, he hasn't done anything for the past 65 years, so maybe someone else should!"
Brilliant reply.
Unfortunately, your dad is in a cult and can no longer think for himself.
HBTS's Da: You can't always believe what you read!
That's for sure. Those fuckin' Watchtowers are full of lies and propaganda!
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Facebook post by a JW on Pope & President & May 2012 WT
by rosyray inlong time no post.
couldn't help myself when i saw this in my facebook feed.. .
the caption that followed:.
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So dumb. Really, completely fucking stupid.
I can't believe I was ever part of this moronic death cult. It's really quite embarrassing.
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My Mom Is Dying
by minimus ini just wanted to say that my dear 89 year old mom is terminally ill and will soon pass.
she is on morphine and hanging on.
she has been a devout witness for about 60 years and a wonderful mother.
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Minimus, I'm sorry to hear this. It must be very emotional for you.
Your mom is lucky to have you.
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How did your close JWs react when they found out you know TTATT?
by ivanatahan ini'm not sure if this topic has ever been posted (surely, i believe it has), but it would be interesting to revive such a topic and hear your stories!.
when my parents heard my first rant (after they told me to be home schooled when i was caught kissing a girl) they entered into a long depression that continues to this day.
my father suffers knowing his once amazing family is now divided, and my mother is equally angry.
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They pretty much freaked out.
It destroys their fantasies. Reality is more than they can handle.
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Total Lunar eclipse soon
by truthseeker100 inthere is to be a lunar eclipse very soon i'd be interested in your impressions.
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I think you missed it. It's totality in Los Angeles in 3 minutes. -
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FMF: A Wake Up Story
by freemindfade insorry for the length of this, i hope anyone stopping by to read will take the time and read it.
i haven't included any things i would consider "apostate" specifics about doctrines, or major scandals.
it's just a general layout of the path i took to becoming an exjw.
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stuckinarut2: It does not need to be an "apostate" site that makes people wake up. I woke up after doing sincere and in depth research IN THE SOCIETIES OWN PUBLICATIONS and the bible itself!
Same for me. In fact, I never visited an "apostate" sites until years after I woke up on my own!!!
Nothing is as damning to the WTBTS as their own publications.
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Any thoughts on the real reasons for droppng the 'school"
by sparrowdown inmy thoughts are.
1. they want to avoid being made to comply with any laws that come with anything classed as a "school" especially a school with children enrolled.. 2. the mid-week meeting has been dying in the ass for years and needs a revival.
i predict happy -clappy-sing-a-longs to be included in the program.. anyone else have any thoughts ??
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steve2: So, the dumbing down continues: Even less is required. Hardly a sign of a thriving organization.
Agreed. Instead of raising expectations, they are lowering the bar.
I ran the first 10 paragraphs of the Bible Teach book through a Gunning Fog Index calculator. It rated it at a 6th grade reading level. And yet the GB, in their "infinite wisdom," feel the need to create a version that is even more simple!
Probably because the current edition is too difficult for Stephen Lett to understand.
It has become a religion for the mentally impaired and the integrity compromised.
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Please stop deriding the Governing Body.
by Esse quam videri inplease stop it !!!.
we love them.
we all love them.
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Esse quam videri is a Latin phrase meaning "To be, rather than to seem (to be)".
Now the Governing Body may seem to be good, they are in fact not.
They are arrogant liars, hypocrites and cowards that sponge off of the hard work of others. They claim to be a "Faithful and Discreet Slave," but in actual practice they behave as if they are the lords and masters over the faithful Witnesses.
They pompously demand blind, unquestioning obedience. They issue edicts like this now infamous maxim from the November 15th, 2013 Watchtower:
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of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether
these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not. - p. 20
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And yet, when called on to testify before legitimate authorities, they hypocritically say things like:
- "I do not answer to Watchtower. ... Watchtower does not have, and never has had, any authority over me." - Gerritt Lösch, in a signed affidavit to the Superior Court of the State of California, County of San Diego, dated February 4th, 2014
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They make the Pharisees look like amateurs.Let's review: It's a cult!
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of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether
these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not. - p. 20