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  Ex-Jehovah's Witness elder jailed for sex assaults on schoolgirl

  by LevelThePlayingField in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this is becoming more common.

  this is from the last part of the article: .

  "this was about sexual gratification and you are a hypocrite because you became an elder and you investigated a sexual matter even with this in your sexual background.".

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  Pedos don't change, in my professional experience. They can't.

  There certainly is abundant evidence to support that.

  This is why I asked earlier if anyone had knowledge of the age of the girl mentioned in the article referenced in the OP.

  Since the perp was a young man at the time, between 19 and 21, it would certainly be a very different thing if the girl was 7 as opposed to 17. As far as I could tell, the article didn't say or give any clear indication.

  In the US, statutory rape laws would apply in either case, but the circumstances and motivations would be clearly very different. It would be helpful to have some idea to have an informed opinion about the matter.
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  Ex-Jehovah's Witness elder jailed for sex assaults on schoolgirl

  by LevelThePlayingField in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this is becoming more common.

  this is from the last part of the article: .

  "this was about sexual gratification and you are a hypocrite because you became an elder and you investigated a sexual matter even with this in your sexual background.".

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  people are generally unhappy when it looks like someone avoids even having to answer the accusations all based on some arbitrary time limit.

  Could you please cite a source for this statement? Has there been some kind of scientific study done?

  How and where was it conducted?

  Did the participants have different feelings of dissatisfaction or unhappiness with current statute of limitations laws depending on:

  • The particular type of crime committed?
    
  • Length of time since its commission?
  • Age of the criminal at the time of the crime?
    
  • Lifestyle of the perpetrator since the commission of the crime?
  • How the crime came to be known?

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  I'd be very interested in reading such a study.
  
  
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  Ex-Jehovah's Witness elder jailed for sex assaults on schoolgirl

  by LevelThePlayingField in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this is becoming more common.

  this is from the last part of the article: .

  "this was about sexual gratification and you are a hypocrite because you became an elder and you investigated a sexual matter even with this in your sexual background.".

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  You seem to be of the opinion that the cover-up of the crime is worse than the crime itself.

  This perception is only in your mind. I most certainly DO NOT hold the opinion you have stated above.
  

  Once again, I never said anything to even hint at that. I merely said they are separate issues. Please do not misconstrue my words.
  

  So, if you want to let-off the perpetrator then the same surely applies to the cover up as well.

  I do NOT want to "let-off the perpetrator." Again, I never said such a thing. Please desist from claiming I have made statements which I have not made.

  Also, your conclusion does not follow from your premise. They are separate issues and should be handled separately. I did say that previously in this thread.
  

  Simon, You have a recurring tendency to accuse me of holding opinions, thoughts and beliefs which I do not have and have never expressed, and when I explicitly state I do not hold these ideas you repeatedly refuse to acknowledge that. It's rather annoying.
  

  Sorry, I just don't agree with where your reasoning inevitably leads.

  That's okay, it's not my reasoning, it's yours. You are disagreeing with your own misperceptions about things you imagine I think, but which I do not.

  Please stop.
  
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  Ex-Jehovah's Witness elder jailed for sex assaults on schoolgirl

  by LevelThePlayingField in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this is becoming more common.

  this is from the last part of the article: .

  "this was about sexual gratification and you are a hypocrite because you became an elder and you investigated a sexual matter even with this in your sexual background.".

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  JWD: the jw system would have still revictimized the victim and protected the perp, while the worldly system would be more protective of victim.

  Exactly!
  
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  Ex-Jehovah's Witness elder jailed for sex assaults on schoolgirl

  by LevelThePlayingField in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this is becoming more common.

  this is from the last part of the article: .

  "this was about sexual gratification and you are a hypocrite because you became an elder and you investigated a sexual matter even with this in your sexual background.".

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  Which I think most people recognize as being a mistake.

  What is your basis for this assertion?
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  Ex-Jehovah's Witness elder jailed for sex assaults on schoolgirl

  by LevelThePlayingField in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this is becoming more common.

  this is from the last part of the article: .

  "this was about sexual gratification and you are a hypocrite because you became an elder and you investigated a sexual matter even with this in your sexual background.".

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  That doesn't mean they shouldn't pay for their crimes.

  I didn't say they shouldn't. But when it comes to light that a person committed a crime long in the past most enlightened societies take into account how that person has lived since then. This is one reason there is a statute of limitations for many crimes.
  

  My take is that we should not confuse or conflate our outrage over the pervasive institutional covering up of crimes such as pedophilia by the WTBTS and other religions with how each individual case should be dealt with.
  
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  Why Rational People Buy Into Conspiracy Theories?

  by adjusted knowledge in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my wife is taking a literature course at a local college.

  this was her final topic of the semester: why rational people buy into conspiracy theories?i automatically thought of this site and of jws.

  the jws i knew, were the kind of people that would believe in conspiracy theories, and i noticed a small following on this site.. the article that was referenced for this course was: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/magazine/why-rational-people-buy-into-conspiracy-theories.html?_r=0.

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  Here's another interesting tidbit from the article referenced in the OP:

  The Backfire Effect - Efforts to debunk inaccurate political information can leave people more convinced that false information is true than they would have been otherwise.

  We should keep this in mind when we attempt to talk to "still-in" JWs about TTATT.

  When we point out anything wrong with the religion to someone that is not ready to hear it, we will likely only convince them they are right and we are an apostate. Weird, but true.
  
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  Why Rational People Buy Into Conspiracy Theories?

  by adjusted knowledge in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my wife is taking a literature course at a local college.

  this was her final topic of the semester: why rational people buy into conspiracy theories?i automatically thought of this site and of jws.

  the jws i knew, were the kind of people that would believe in conspiracy theories, and i noticed a small following on this site.. the article that was referenced for this course was: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/magazine/why-rational-people-buy-into-conspiracy-theories.html?_r=0.

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  "Conspiracy theories wouldn’t exist in a world in which real conspiracies don’t exist." - Kathryn Olmsted, historian at the University of California, Davis
  
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  Why Rational People Buy Into Conspiracy Theories?

  by adjusted knowledge in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my wife is taking a literature course at a local college.

  this was her final topic of the semester: why rational people buy into conspiracy theories?i automatically thought of this site and of jws.

  the jws i knew, were the kind of people that would believe in conspiracy theories, and i noticed a small following on this site.. the article that was referenced for this course was: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/magazine/why-rational-people-buy-into-conspiracy-theories.html?_r=0.

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  cantleave: Challenge everything, fact check everything, examine both sides and apply Occum's razor.

  Generally a good strategy, but we must be careful with Occam's razor. It gave us a flat earth and a geocentric universe.

  Check this out:
  

  Conspiracy Test: Occam's Razor
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  Why Rational People Buy Into Conspiracy Theories?

  by adjusted knowledge in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my wife is taking a literature course at a local college.

  this was her final topic of the semester: why rational people buy into conspiracy theories?i automatically thought of this site and of jws.

  the jws i knew, were the kind of people that would believe in conspiracy theories, and i noticed a small following on this site.. the article that was referenced for this course was: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/magazine/why-rational-people-buy-into-conspiracy-theories.html?_r=0.

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  EOM: WTC 7 ....

  A lot of very credible scientists, architects and engineers have issues with that one. You may appreciate this.