NBD: Look, the author of the quote in question felt the WTBTS misrepresented his thoughts in the quote. He wrote them and they changed it. They never do that.
I think that pretty much answers your question.
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Do you think the 'Rama Singh misquote' situation is uncalled for?
by neat blue dog inlet's be honest with ourselves, even if you have an ax to grind with the wts.
i mean, the quote in question was merely a statement of what he believed to be a fact, or else he wouldn't have said it.
there was nothing in the quote (and everyone has the right to make accurate quotes under the fair use doctrine), that even remotely suggested that he was pro-creationism or anything like that.
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Why doe New light tick me off???? Next 2 weeks WT Studies
by zophar inif you have been a jw for 20+ years you may remember that the wt went into great detail on different illustrations that jesus used and the "type/anti-type" ridiculous explanations.
remember the revelation book and how those obscure jw conventions of the past pictured big things in heaven and the opening of seals?
anyway, the wt lessons for the next two weeks do two big things for me.
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Crazyguy: And does this new teaching really kill the 1914 propaganda ... ?
Ah, yes. The GB are now getting a lesson in the law of unintended consequences and you are calling them out on it.
They make up one bat-shit crazy story and it ends up contradicting all the other bat-shit crazy nonsense they've been pulling out of their arses for the last 100+ years.
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Why doe New light tick me off???? Next 2 weeks WT Studies
by zophar inif you have been a jw for 20+ years you may remember that the wt went into great detail on different illustrations that jesus used and the "type/anti-type" ridiculous explanations.
remember the revelation book and how those obscure jw conventions of the past pictured big things in heaven and the opening of seals?
anyway, the wt lessons for the next two weeks do two big things for me.
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oppostate: As Oubliette continues to point out: "It's a cult!"
It's nice to know that people are beginning to notice.
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Comments at the WT this morning
by OneFingerSalute inso as i am "listening" to the wt study going on this question was asked.
"how do you feel about refined understanding?".
some of the comments were:.
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I feel like we can trust everything the governing body tells us now that we know they are the FDS."
Every leader of the WTBTS for the last 130+ years has been wrong about every significant thing they ever taught. Everything.
How does that indisputable fact inspire "trust"?!?
This should be a major WTF moment for everyone.
Let's review: It's a cult!
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Are the writers in the writing department purposely misquoting people?
by paulmolark inafter reading that great post about the june 1 article on science i got to thinking.
although it is great to believe there is this huge group of guys in the jw writing department that are constantly looking to mislead us by twisting the words of scientist etc... i really think it is more likely they are google researchers that do not have the ability to grasp the thoughts that are being expressed in the scientific article they quote mine from.. i honestly believe the reason that this happens is because of the individuals they use to write these magazines.
these are not college educated men.
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If you've never read the series of Awake! articles on propaganda referenced in my post above, you really owe it to yourself to do so.
They are very well written and clearly define what propaganda is and how many different groups and individuals have used it in the past and continue to use it today.
When you then understand that the writers of the WT publications clearly understand propaganda, can recognize it in the work of others and know how to use it, it then becomes obvious that at least some of their use of its techniques in their own writings is deliberate. (I'll acknowledge that some may also be unconscious due to their beliefs and biases).
But the key point is this: If the writers of WT publications are guilty of even one single deliberate act of using the techniques of propaganda in a dishonest way to lie, deceive or otherwise mislead, then it is prima facie proof that they are not God's representatives.
It's really that simple.
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Are the writers in the writing department purposely misquoting people?
by paulmolark inafter reading that great post about the june 1 article on science i got to thinking.
although it is great to believe there is this huge group of guys in the jw writing department that are constantly looking to mislead us by twisting the words of scientist etc... i really think it is more likely they are google researchers that do not have the ability to grasp the thoughts that are being expressed in the scientific article they quote mine from.. i honestly believe the reason that this happens is because of the individuals they use to write these magazines.
these are not college educated men.
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Reposting from one of my favorite 00DAD threads:
"WT Publications are all propaganda!" admits the Awake! magazine
Read this lovely little admission and judge for yourself:
THERE is a difference—a big difference—between education and propaganda. Education shows you how to think. Propaganda tells you what to think. Good educators present all sides of an issue and encourage discussion. Propagandists relentlessly force you to hear their view and discourage discussion. - Awake!, June 22, 2000, pp. 9-11 – [Emphasis added]
So what is it? What DO YOU think?
- Do the WT Publications show people how to think, or what to think? (The answer is NOT in the paragraph. You'll have to think for yourself).
- Does the WT Leadersip encourage or discourage open discussion and debate about ideas and doctrine?
- Do the WT Publications ever accept input from their members or do they only " relentlessly force you to hear their view"?
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If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, then what is it?
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Usefuly defining and using the term 'Cult'.
by nicolaou inthe following material was prepared by herbert l. rosedale, esq.
and michael d. langone, ph.d.. i've highlighted the section i found most interesting.. nic'.
review of definitions.
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Specific Comments By R&F About May Broadcast
by freemindfade ini know there are many posts discussing the may money requesting televangalism...er... broadcast i mean!
but i wanted to start one where anyone can put what they have heard any non-exjw, non-apostate witnesses say good or bad about the broadcast.
i don't see how it can't rattle followers... but then again i might be surprised how they can twist things (2+2=5).
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Just to qualify this a little, since I stopped going to meetings and have clearly shown my apostate side, she has gone into drone overload, more service, studying more, not even missing the occasional meeting, and sadly reporting everything I say and do to the elders.
How can ANYONE act like this and not see that they are in a cult?!?
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German Branch visit talk Mark Sanderson (Parents; don't hinder young children to get baptized)
by Daniel1555 inthe video streaming of the german branch visit program was excrutiating 3.5 hours long.. i just went to see the last 45 min (part of mark sandersons talk).. i think sanderson is quite a sympathetic speaker and he kind of made a loving impression.. he didn't mention controversial stuff (except for one thing i will come to soon).
he mostly talked about how to find joy, even when life is not easy, and how much the gb loves the rank and file.. one point seemed soooo important to him.
parents and children.
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Can someone remind me, please? How old was Jesus when HE got baptized?
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Are the writers in the writing department purposely misquoting people?
by paulmolark inafter reading that great post about the june 1 article on science i got to thinking.
although it is great to believe there is this huge group of guys in the jw writing department that are constantly looking to mislead us by twisting the words of scientist etc... i really think it is more likely they are google researchers that do not have the ability to grasp the thoughts that are being expressed in the scientific article they quote mine from.. i honestly believe the reason that this happens is because of the individuals they use to write these magazines.
these are not college educated men.
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BB, something's messed up with your hyperlink. This one works: