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  No 'Tight Pants' policy is now official - classed as 'disturbing'

  by wizzstick in

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  2. beliefs

  in short:- tight pants is no longer just a am3 hang up (or is that a hang up on the well hung?

  )- brothers who have effeminate body language are flagged up- as are sisters with 'masculine' hair styles or dress- such dress is 'disturbing to the congregation'- the above must heed the (repeated) counsel from the elders...or they get stripped of the right to share on the ministry- however...this will not be revealed (announced) to the congregation.

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  Oubliette

  Simon, I respectfully suggest you take another look at the WT outline under discussion.

  It is NOT about immodesty per se. It IS about the WT leadership's perceived "gender-blurring" and subsequent stereotyping based on a person's clothing choices and physical mannerisms.

  This matters to many of us. Perhaps we are dealing with these issues ourselves and for whatever reason still attend the meetings. Or maybe, as in my case, we have loved family members that are still in the cult and we worry about them being persecuted and judged by self-righteous elders on an ego trip. Directives like this give these elders a false sense of legitimacy to start a witch-hunt, or in this case a "gay-hunt."
  
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  No 'Tight Pants' policy is now official - classed as 'disturbing'

  by wizzstick in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in short:- tight pants is no longer just a am3 hang up (or is that a hang up on the well hung?

  )- brothers who have effeminate body language are flagged up- as are sisters with 'masculine' hair styles or dress- such dress is 'disturbing to the congregation'- the above must heed the (repeated) counsel from the elders...or they get stripped of the right to share on the ministry- however...this will not be revealed (announced) to the congregation.

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  Oubliette

  GT, yeah, I saw that and fixed it, but apparently after you had already seen it. Sorry.
  
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  No 'Tight Pants' policy is now official - classed as 'disturbing'

  by wizzstick in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in short:- tight pants is no longer just a am3 hang up (or is that a hang up on the well hung?

  )- brothers who have effeminate body language are flagged up- as are sisters with 'masculine' hair styles or dress- such dress is 'disturbing to the congregation'- the above must heed the (repeated) counsel from the elders...or they get stripped of the right to share on the ministry- however...this will not be revealed (announced) to the congregation.

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  Oubliette

  Your post was not removed, it's still there on the topic you posted on.

  My mistake. I apologize.
  

  But you are still confusing the point.

  You wrote: "When people start posting images of people in tight pants ... it really makes [the WTBTS's] point for them - they are immodest and out of place for a christian preaching setting.

  I asked "Who posted pictures of people in tight pants while preaching?"

  You haven't answered. Where is that post? I must've missed it.
  

  
  
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  No 'Tight Pants' policy is now official - classed as 'disturbing'

  by wizzstick in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in short:- tight pants is no longer just a am3 hang up (or is that a hang up on the well hung?

  )- brothers who have effeminate body language are flagged up- as are sisters with 'masculine' hair styles or dress- such dress is 'disturbing to the congregation'- the above must heed the (repeated) counsel from the elders...or they get stripped of the right to share on the ministry- however...this will not be revealed (announced) to the congregation.

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  GrreatTeacher: None of these things have anything to do with modesty. They are simply about control. And control is the problem in 'high control religious groups.'

  Exactly!

  This WT letter is not about trying to control people's dress, it's about trying to control their behavior.

  Ultimately, it's not critical of their clothes, it is critical of who they are.
  
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  No 'Tight Pants' policy is now official - classed as 'disturbing'

  by wizzstick in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in short:- tight pants is no longer just a am3 hang up (or is that a hang up on the well hung?

  )- brothers who have effeminate body language are flagged up- as are sisters with 'masculine' hair styles or dress- such dress is 'disturbing to the congregation'- the above must heed the (repeated) counsel from the elders...or they get stripped of the right to share on the ministry- however...this will not be revealed (announced) to the congregation.

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  To most JWs it's simply common sense and part of their beliefs

  This is simply not true. I had several very active JWs that are not aware of my beliefs about the organization tell me (somewhat sheepishly and in hushed tones) that they were personally and privately disturbed by Anthony Morris' comments about metrosexual dress, yoga pants and colored socks.

  And when people start posting images of people in tight pants as has happened umpteen times then it really makes their point for them - they are immodest and out of place for a christian preaching setting.

  Who posted pictures of people in tight pants while preaching?

  I posted a video (which I noticed you removed) of women wearing yoga pants while exercising or doing other ordinary, every day activities. None of them were engaged in the "Door-to-door ministry."
  

  saying that gay people can be identified by their clothing shows an ignorance and willingness to accept caricature stereotypes

  You are right, except we here didn't make that assumption. This is the assumption implicit in the WT letter.

  THAT is the problem. You got it!
  
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  No 'Tight Pants' policy is now official - classed as 'disturbing'

  by wizzstick in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in short:- tight pants is no longer just a am3 hang up (or is that a hang up on the well hung?

  )- brothers who have effeminate body language are flagged up- as are sisters with 'masculine' hair styles or dress- such dress is 'disturbing to the congregation'- the above must heed the (repeated) counsel from the elders...or they get stripped of the right to share on the ministry- however...this will not be revealed (announced) to the congregation.

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  OFS: This has little to do with clothing choices and much to do with control. How can people not understand that?

  Point!
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  No 'Tight Pants' policy is now official - classed as 'disturbing'

  by wizzstick in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in short:- tight pants is no longer just a am3 hang up (or is that a hang up on the well hung?

  )- brothers who have effeminate body language are flagged up- as are sisters with 'masculine' hair styles or dress- such dress is 'disturbing to the congregation'- the above must heed the (repeated) counsel from the elders...or they get stripped of the right to share on the ministry- however...this will not be revealed (announced) to the congregation.

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  Data-dog: Disney or Apple or even Starbucks have uniforms and dress codes. The difference is that the aforementioned organizations are not discriminating against gender, or sexual orientation. ... They don't have secret meetings with District Managers, informing them to seek out and pressure homosexuals.

  Exactly!

  What a well-thought out and clearly articulated rant. I loved it!
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  No 'Tight Pants' policy is now official - classed as 'disturbing'

  by wizzstick in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in short:- tight pants is no longer just a am3 hang up (or is that a hang up on the well hung?

  )- brothers who have effeminate body language are flagged up- as are sisters with 'masculine' hair styles or dress- such dress is 'disturbing to the congregation'- the above must heed the (repeated) counsel from the elders...or they get stripped of the right to share on the ministry- however...this will not be revealed (announced) to the congregation.

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  Stephane: They vigorously protect the right of pedophiles to share in the ministry, and, yet, have no issue taking that right away from someone who "looks" gay.

  This is a HUGE inconsistency and yet further evidence of how clueless the men running this religion really are.

  They have a long history of covering up criminal activity against children, yet they obsess over petty issues such as the cut of a man's coat or the color of his socks.

  It is really ridiculous.
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  No 'Tight Pants' policy is now official - classed as 'disturbing'

  by wizzstick in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in short:- tight pants is no longer just a am3 hang up (or is that a hang up on the well hung?

  )- brothers who have effeminate body language are flagged up- as are sisters with 'masculine' hair styles or dress- such dress is 'disturbing to the congregation'- the above must heed the (repeated) counsel from the elders...or they get stripped of the right to share on the ministry- however...this will not be revealed (announced) to the congregation.

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  Oubliette

  Would you honestly try to convince a 3rd party that the WTS is an "evil cult" by claiming that the conservative christian religious group was using scriptures about modesty to say people shouldn't wear immodest clothing when doing their ministry?

  Of course not.

  There is plenty of other evidence this religion is a high-control, authoritarian cult. I'd use that.

  But you failed to address my point: these "rules" are not about clothing; they are an ill-conceived attempt at controlling behavior.

  I had my own retail business years ago and I had a dress code for my employees. It was very specific. For example: No visible body piercings other than earrings.

  This WT letter gives very vague guidelines on what is "appropriate." Again, for example: How "tight" is too tight?

  This kind of language is a license for power-hungry, homophobic elders to ride roughshod over people they don't like.
  

  When I had my business, I in no way tried to censor, control or otherwise any exert pressure on my employees to conform to my personal standards of what is "appropriate" or not concerning their sexuality or other aspects of their personal life and identity. That was their business, not mine.
  

  This WT letter is an attempt to control exactly those things that should be off-limits.

  Again, this is not really about clothing. It is about trying to control behavior.
  
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  No 'Tight Pants' policy is now official - classed as 'disturbing'

  by wizzstick in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in short:- tight pants is no longer just a am3 hang up (or is that a hang up on the well hung?

  )- brothers who have effeminate body language are flagged up- as are sisters with 'masculine' hair styles or dress- such dress is 'disturbing to the congregation'- the above must heed the (repeated) counsel from the elders...or they get stripped of the right to share on the ministry- however...this will not be revealed (announced) to the congregation.

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  Oubliette

  Simon, it's not really about clothing.

  It's really about the out of touch men on the Governing Body trying to enforce their antiquated ideas of what is and what is not acceptable on people that possibly have gender and sexual identities issues that do not conform to the overly restrictive beliefs of the cult.

  The Governing Body is trying to "solve" complex personal identity issues by mandating a nebulous and ill-defined dress code. And they are attempting to do it by sending vague and not well thought out directives to people in positions of authority that lack any kind of appropriate sensitivity training in dealing with these matters.

  Many people's lives are going to be very messed up because some overzealous elders don't like the way they dress, walk or talk.
  

  THAT is worthy of ridicule.
  

  How do you not get that?