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  Comments You Will Not Hear at the 2-1-04 WT Study

  by blondie in

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  wt quotes

  "?matthew 24:44.

  you also must be ready all the time.

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  joe_from_kokomo

  I loved your article. Excellent piece. I wished I had thought of the concealed pen radio. It would have been helpful when I was still in, to keep my sanity. (Then again, I might have stayed longer, if I was there but tuned in to another station... oh well.)

  I am sure attendance today will be down, down, down, and none of the brothers will be really paying attention anyway. Instead, they're probably all be thinking or planning about the Super Bowl.

  Perhaps the society should throw in something about the worship of false idols such as football teams and its inherent materialism (vis a vie the multi-million dollar TV ads in the Super Bowl).
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  Please help......

  by Nan in

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  2. beliefs

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  can anyone please tell me whom rev.

  5:10 is referring to??.

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  joe_from_kokomo

  10 You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God,
  and they will reign on the earth."

  The verse above is the one you are referring to. Looking back to the beginning of the chapter, we see this chapter refers to a certain scroll that only Jesus Christ himself is worthy of opening. Then, if we scan forward to verse 9, which preceeds the verse you are asking about, we find the answer to your question:

  9 And they sang a new song:
  "You are worthy to take the scroll
  and to open its seals,
  because you were slain,
  and with your blood you purchased men for God
  from every tribe and language and people and nation.
  10 You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God,
  and they will reign on the earth."

  The answer then is "men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation". A kingdom of Christ's followers to reign on the Earth.

  Does this help?
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  Watchtower on the UN's Website

  by Smyler in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://web.archive.org/web/20011124135827/www.un.org/moreinfo/ngolink/ngodir/ngodirreg/reg0c605.htm aug 22 2001 .

  http://web.archive.org/web/20011124135827/www.un.org/moreinfo/ngolink/ngodir/ngodirreg/reg0c605.htm june 30 2001 .

  http://web.archive.org/web/20011124135827/www.un.org/moreinfo/ngolink/ngodir/ngodirreg/reg0c605.htm sept 21 2001 .

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  joe_from_kokomo

  Wonder what the category "DPI" in the chart means? Anybody know?
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  UN sends reply to my inquiry about WTS NGO association- proof at last!

  by joe_from_kokomo in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  dear friends:.

  it's been a while since i posted last, even though i probably still suffer with a newbie status, i did some dandy postings a few months back.

  my wife and i are now approaching the 1 year anniversary of our split with the wtbts, and are quite happy with our decision.. one thing we did last year was to write to the u.n directly (i think i got the address from a posting here on this site) and asked specific and direct questions about the wts's involvement and knowledge of ngo requirements.

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  joe_from_kokomo

  Thanks to all of you for your nice comments. I am glad that posting the scanned copies of the letter and the envelope were helpful to any who may have doubted the validity of this UN account. For those of you who are new to this site or this controversy, the world reknown UK newspaper The Guardian, which ironically the Watchtower Society often quotes in their literature, was the media outlet that revealed this story in 2001. See for yourself in this article.
  
  As someone commented, there will always be a "doubting Thomas" JW out there who thinks we fabricated this whole thing (oh, if I were that good of a hacker), but when you think about the difficulty of that, it boggles the mind. If this were a fake letter, it would mean that I would have had to do this:

  1. Travel to New York. Sneak into the UN Headquarters and steal a copy of the UN letterhead paper (which includes the department number and room number imprinted on it) and the matching envelope.

  2. Type or copy an image of the text of the real letter on it, figure out a matching name of a real UN person, forge her real signature, lick and seal the envelope. (In the process, I would have to make two typos, too.)

  3. Sneak back into the UN headquarters, find the Shipping department and use their postal meter while no one is looking, so that the envelope gets the postage and the UN postmark image. (This would have to happen within 24-48 hours of when the letter was written, for the dates to match.)

  4. Sneak out and mail the envelope from New York. Fly back home.

  But, in spite of the odds against this tale, some will still think this is what really happened. Well, if you believe that, you'll believe that Jerusalem fell in 607 BCE and Jesus returned in 1914 invisibly, and the Society became the chosen ones in 1919. (Hey, you may actually believe this already!)

  Anyway, I think Seattle Nice Guy's template letter, if shortened a bit, may be effective. It really depends on whether the United Nations is more concerned about clearing their name than their need to expose the Watchtower's hypocrisy. Like all political entities their preference will probably involve the path of least resistance and controversy. Still, it's the right thing to do, folks.

  And, so is writing the WTBTS, too.

  Take care, Friends.
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  Interesting letter I found on the web...

  by Singing Man in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.commservco.com/gil/letter_of_disassociation.html

  letter of disassociation

  i would like to ask why we are not taught that the society firmly believed the following things:.

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  joe_from_kokomo

  Wow. Excellent letter. Worth framing. By the way, there is an "invisible section" in the middle of the letter that is no doubt due to the HTML coding used. It becomes visible when you highlight it and then drag your mouse over it.
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  UN sends reply to my inquiry about WTS NGO association- proof at last!

  by joe_from_kokomo in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  dear friends:.

  it's been a while since i posted last, even though i probably still suffer with a newbie status, i did some dandy postings a few months back.

  my wife and i are now approaching the 1 year anniversary of our split with the wtbts, and are quite happy with our decision.. one thing we did last year was to write to the u.n directly (i think i got the address from a posting here on this site) and asked specific and direct questions about the wts's involvement and knowledge of ngo requirements.

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  joe_from_kokomo

  Sassy: The correct date should be January 19, 2004. When she typed the letter she must have used the wrong calendar year, as I mentioned in an earlier posting in this thread. It's a common boo-boo. The date cannot be 2003, since I originally wrote her in May, 2003. There is a 2nd typo, too in the first sentence, a trailing "and" ends the sentence.

  I guess Isolda is not a very good typist or English is not her first language. I think it adds to the originality of it, since if it was a fake, it would have no typos in it (at least my postings generally typically hopefully don't).

  Hope that helps.
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  UN sends reply to my inquiry about WTS NGO association- proof at last!

  by joe_from_kokomo in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  dear friends:.

  it's been a while since i posted last, even though i probably still suffer with a newbie status, i did some dandy postings a few months back.

  my wife and i are now approaching the 1 year anniversary of our split with the wtbts, and are quite happy with our decision.. one thing we did last year was to write to the u.n directly (i think i got the address from a posting here on this site) and asked specific and direct questions about the wts's involvement and knowledge of ngo requirements.

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  joe_from_kokomo

  OK, for any of you who still doubt this is the genuine article, here is the scan of the face of the envelope itself (sans my address, of course, which I cropped off the bottom of the scanned image for privacy reasons). Note the UN postmark and the return address.

  This is the real deal folks.
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  UN sends reply to my inquiry about WTS NGO association- proof at last!

  by joe_from_kokomo in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  dear friends:.

  it's been a while since i posted last, even though i probably still suffer with a newbie status, i did some dandy postings a few months back.

  my wife and i are now approaching the 1 year anniversary of our split with the wtbts, and are quite happy with our decision.. one thing we did last year was to write to the u.n directly (i think i got the address from a posting here on this site) and asked specific and direct questions about the wts's involvement and knowledge of ngo requirements.

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  joe_from_kokomo

  Did it work this time? I hope so. I think it's attached now. If it is not visible after I post this, I'll try that anonymous photo website one of you suggested.

  I appreciate the excellent feedback and comments. Glad to know that sharing this is helpful.
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  UN sends reply to my inquiry about WTS NGO association- proof at last!

  by joe_from_kokomo in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  dear friends:.

  it's been a while since i posted last, even though i probably still suffer with a newbie status, i did some dandy postings a few months back.

  my wife and i are now approaching the 1 year anniversary of our split with the wtbts, and are quite happy with our decision.. one thing we did last year was to write to the u.n directly (i think i got the address from a posting here on this site) and asked specific and direct questions about the wts's involvement and knowledge of ngo requirements.

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  joe_from_kokomo

  Double Hmm... Can anyone share the exact steps to post a JPG file to this web board? Attach files did not work for me.
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  UN sends reply to my inquiry about WTS NGO association- proof at last!

  by joe_from_kokomo in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  dear friends:.

  it's been a while since i posted last, even though i probably still suffer with a newbie status, i did some dandy postings a few months back.

  my wife and i are now approaching the 1 year anniversary of our split with the wtbts, and are quite happy with our decision.. one thing we did last year was to write to the u.n directly (i think i got the address from a posting here on this site) and asked specific and direct questions about the wts's involvement and knowledge of ngo requirements.

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  joe_from_kokomo

  Hmmm.. that did not work. I'll try again. Must be doing something wrong.