There is no reason you cannot pray for someone else. JW or not. This is true within the framework of Jehovah's Witnesses and just generally as a spiritual human being.
When I get a few minutes I'll post references. That elder is wrong.
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So can you pray for others that are not JW's ? Or only JW's
by tor1500 ini'm a witness, so i need to know...can we pray for someone that isn't a jw.
reason i ask, once a friend of mine was going for an operation.
i asked an elder could he pray with her before she goes into the hospital.
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KH construction
by truth doubter inis it a fact that all kh construction earth wide has stopped?
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So the brief version of what happened is this. Previously, across the United States branch territory there were LDC (Local Design Construction Department) zone offices - can't remember how many. Very large field staff of special full time servants but very little progress on projects. As of the end of January of 2016, all the field zone offices were closed and most of the field special full time servants that had been recently appointed in 2015 were discharged back into the field. A small number of these folks rolled back up into the branch office LDC department. As of now, all construction across the US branch territory is being supervised by the LDC department at the branch office. I was in complete shock when I heard this.
At the same time, the number of projects for the US for the next twelve months was just to build 50 KHs for the entire country.
I confirmed this with two sources and have seen some practical evidence that is is true. I have said this before and I'll say it again - I cannot for the life of me understand what is going on with this. Clearly, this is a cash conservation effort - and it can't just be about the Warwick project because the sheer scale of the sell off and reduction in project activity. Even internal projects that have small cost to them with the branch office are being discontinued. The only theory that makes sense is either the theory about a huge investment loss of some type (in which case, why not tell the publisher what is going on so that if they want to contribute to make up the loss, they can do so) or they are putting together a huge fund to cover what they believe are contingent liabilities that will surface in the next 18 to 24 months. In either case, with the financial things that are going on and with the organizational changes happening where you don't have a clue what they are going to do next and there is no consistency to anything...I am super uncomfortable and just waiting for the change that makes me say I'm completely done with this mess.
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KH construction
by truth doubter inis it a fact that all kh construction earth wide has stopped?
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There are two in Texas - one in Burleson, TX (just south of Fort Worth and completed if I heard it right) and one in South Texas (don't remember the city). That's it. All the rest are halted AFAIK. There were numerous projects in the old RBCs in Texas and those are all on hold.
I have more information and I'll post it when I get in a better position to do so. I don't think I've seen posts about the major reorg that went on in LDC at the end of January of this year in the US but I can provide details.
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DF'ed arrival/departure times at meetings
by dubstepped ini didn't want to derail another thread, but something said made me wonder.
i know that i noticed df'ed people come in right when the meeting started and leave right when it left most of the time.
is that some sort of actual rule?
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There is no requirement that disfellowshipped or disassociated persons do this. The meetings are public, and as long as someone is not disruptive, they can come and go as they like.
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Hey ya'll! My first post. Please help. In need of advice/comfort.
by Stepford Wife inhey ya'll!
i have been lurking for years on this site and others but never had the courage to post anything.
actually i was afraid of posting on an apostate site in the event i was wrong.
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I would just add this:
There is no productive reason at this point to meet with the elders. You will be wasting your time, they will be wasting theirs. You are not going to change your mind about fading. Nothing they can say will affect the situation. They will be gathering evidence that will be used against your husband as they try to form up the reasons for his deletion. If they have nothing you've said to use, he cannot be harmed by it. He will almost certainly be removed, but that is better for him.
Feel free to PM me anytime.
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LDC Semininar
by Sour Grapes inldc semininar @ patterson nov 15-18, 2014 .
entire ldc dept included remote workers/design/legal/real estate/purchasing.
oversight.
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Sour Grapes:
I assume either you are/were involved in LDC or knew someone who was to get the detailed notes that you posted to start this thread.
My question is - have you heard anything recently about LDC and what is going on with it? In the field, it is radio silence besides a few contacts from LDC maintenance and some other very spotty activities.
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New Watchtower Propaganda and hate speech destroying families (Feb 2016 WT)
by Daniel1555 inthe following is a paragraph from the new february study watchtower article "learn from jehovah's loyal servants.".
7 a conflict of loyalties may arise when a close relative is disfellowshipped.
for example, a sister named anne [1] received a telephone call from her disfellowshipped mother.
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Oubilette and Cofty:
Totally understand why you feel this way. Right now I still have room to navigate. I can ignore the DF rules with impunity and I can manipulate JCs I serve on to be sure people are not disfellowshipped. If the organization truly clamps down as I anticipate, then I'll have no choice but to step out.
If I walk away from JW - I lose EVERYTHING. All family, my children, everything. And I have nothing else. I would have to start life over. So I don't want to take this step until I have absolutely no choice. I understand completely it is cognitive dissonance and believe me, it drives me into deep depression and causes me no end of mental anguish.
That may not make sense to you guys, but I hope you'll at least understand.
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New Watchtower Propaganda and hate speech destroying families (Feb 2016 WT)
by Daniel1555 inthe following is a paragraph from the new february study watchtower article "learn from jehovah's loyal servants.".
7 a conflict of loyalties may arise when a close relative is disfellowshipped.
for example, a sister named anne [1] received a telephone call from her disfellowshipped mother.
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I think I've posted this before, but I'm convinced that there is a huge crackdown coming. The governing body clearly believes that especially in developed countries things are too loose and uncontrolled: publishers and elders are not putting forth the "effort" and "sacrifice" that the GB believes is necessary.
I think that they will, shortly, abandon the current policy that relatives cannot be disfellowshipped for associating with relatives (see ks10 ch 10 par 6) and they will begin inquiries into family dealings where there are disfellowshipped relatives.
Other lockdowns are coming, I'm convinced of it. At some point, I will not be able to conscientiously support what is going on and will have to opt out of being an elder and eventually being a JW as well.
I figure it will be occurring within the next 24 months or so.
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Can an inactive family member hold back a MS appointment?
by Simon Templar ina friend asked me if a man can be appointed a ms if he has an inactive (inactive for 15-20 years) baptized adult child living in his home.
the child lives by the rules and doesn't do anything wrong (jw-wise), as i am told.
i know the child (adult) and is a good kid as far as i know.
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Generally speaking, the information in ks10 chapter 3 paragraph 5 is what guides this kind of decision:
5. Though it is the brother who must measure up to the Scriptural qualifications, you should also consider the spirituality of those in his household. If his wife is baptized, is she a good example? A wife’s conduct often reflects favorably or unfavorably upon her husband. (1 Tim. 3:11) If the wife is spiritually weak, he should be doing all that he can to assist her. For instance, is he making Family Worship a priority? He should also have “believing children that [are] not under a charge of debauchery nor unruly.” (Titus 1:6; see ks10 3:15.) As a general rule, he should have well-behaved minor children who are “believing.” They should either be progressing toward dedication to God or be already baptized as Jehovah’s Witnesses. The Scriptural qualification involves having “children in subjection with all seriousness.” (1 Tim. 3:4) The conduct of adult children still living in the home also reflects upon him.—w90 9/1 p. 25 par. 7; w88 3/1 p. 24 par. 5.
I think this indicates that if the son or daughter is a minor, then as long as they aren't engaged in immoral conduct, the brother would still qualify. However, if he has minor children that are doing nothing spiritually, he wouldn't qualify.
Does that make sense?
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I just heard something that disturbed me. A youth has to fill out a form from the bOrg that he wants to be an unbaptized publisher.
by Driving Force inthis is in germany.. is this something new?
has anybody else heard this that somebody wanting to be an unbaptised publisher needs to fill-out a form from the borg.. i have not seen the form..
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I've never heard of that being required in any country. It may be a local form.
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