What do you base your thoughts on & why
Edited by - nightwarrior on 23 December 2002 5:12:3
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what do you base your thoughts on & whyedited by - nightwarrior on 23 december 2002 5:12:3.
What do you base your thoughts on & why
Edited by - nightwarrior on 23 December 2002 5:12:3
there was once a rich man whom approached jesus & said teacher i have done everything that has been asked of me i want to follow you,jesus replied to him if you trulywant to be my follower.
give your riches to the poor & follow me, but the rich man couldnot meet this committment,therfore he walcked away with his head bowed ,money & riches meant more to him than life from jesus, .
throughout the scriptures we are taught that we must not store treasures up but rely upon jehovah completly, why then has the society got hundreds of millions of pounds in banks/ stocks & shares/owns property & all the kingdom halls & the land all in there name invested for 8 to10 years in a united nations treaty.whatever the cause.
There was once a rich man whom approached Jesus & said teacher i have done everything that has been asked of me I WANT TO FOLLOW YOU,Jesus replied to him if you TRULYwant to be my follower.
GIVE your Riches to the poor & follow me, But the rich man Couldnot meet this committment,therfore he walcked away with his head bowed ,money & riches meant more to him than life from jesus,
Throughout the scriptures we are taught that we must not store treasures up but rely upon jehovah completly, why then has the society got hundreds of millions of pounds in banks/ stocks & shares/owns property & all the kingdom halls & the land all in there name invested for 8 to10 years in a united nations treaty.whatever the cause.
The scriptures show that jesus told his disciples to not worry about what they were to eat ,or where they were to lay there heads ,as your heavenly father whom is in the heavens knows you need these things & he will supply them in abundance,
Jesus allso said not to store treasures up for yourself in this world,as a farmer stored up more than he could ever want he had barns full of food ,then suddenly a wind came up blew the barns down & he then lost all his treasure (GREED)
Jesus went into the wilderness for 30 days & thirty nights he took no food with him,jehovah sustained him,
We allso see that the birds of the heavens neither reap nor toil but that the creator provides for them ,the isrelites were fed in the wilderness as an example for us all ,THEY HAD FAITH.
The question is what acuassitions and property is owned by the society have they followed in jesus foot steps or has greed taken a hold of them.
HAVE THEY SHOWN A LACK OF FAITH IN GOD HIMSELF ?YOU YOURSELF JUDGE THEM BY THERE WORKS,
What do you think ?/????????????????????????????????????
Edited by - nightwarrior on 22 December 2002 17:16:55
have to share this experience with you all.
years ago we were advised in england that computers were frowned upon not to bother with them,anyhow i never listened & therfore we bought into the computer market,we were allso advised not to spend to much time with televisions,of which i took alittle note got rid of it for six months,it gave us back family time ,any how as you guesed it the persuasion came from the local elders ,(geting rid of things.).
we then decided to buy a caravan ,yes this was frowned upon ,as we wanted weekends away to enjoy life with the family,people complained that we wouldnot be able to meet for field service transgresing against jehovah stealing his time,anyhow we went out and bought a 23 foot twin wheel caravan the one you have to pull behind a car or jeep.. we visited lots of areas of natural beauty in england .but the story now gets interesting ,we ended up storing our caravan down in summerset ,we had great times at the site meeting all types of different people & familys,we met a special middle aged couple & there famiy became good friends,the husband has developed cancer ,has been given six months to live,he was left for deadby the hospital with no hope of seeing next christmas or beyond,, he had cancer in his liver ,i found a article on the internet wherby a (cancer surgeon ) had a way of operating on the liver ,i informed my friend ,gave his wife the contact address,and three weeks later he is booked in for an operation that will save & prolong his life,the surgeon is going to starve the infected cancerouse liver then remove the slight infected other liver which will then start to grow ,kapow a new lease of lifeto a man who was resigned for death.. my point here is.. if,we had listened to the society, (about bad associations ).
thank you for your postings.
Our friend, Ed, intially had cancer of the bowel which was duly removed, he was then diagnosed last year as having cancer of the liver.
The operation entails part of the liver being starved of oxygen, and then the other side, but then is able to grow back, hopefully cancer free... well that is the grand plan, and we are hoping that the surgery works out for him.
as my husband mentioned it was only through something inthe newspaper, and then by looking on the web that we were able to help Ed have some hope.
We collected Ed and his lovely wife, Marian from the station the other day, and Ed was down, as he thought what is the use, he had been given only six months to live, but we have to remember, where life is, also hope is.... by the time that he had seen the consultant, he was a changed man, very emotional, but a far happier man...... and we were certainly privileged to be party to that joy....
If this operation can work, well lets hope that others also can benefit....
again thank you for the lovely msgs that we have recvd..
Lots of smiles from wife of night warrior
have to share this experience with you all.
years ago we were advised in england that computers were frowned upon not to bother with them,anyhow i never listened & therfore we bought into the computer market,we were allso advised not to spend to much time with televisions,of which i took alittle note got rid of it for six months,it gave us back family time ,any how as you guesed it the persuasion came from the local elders ,(geting rid of things.).
we then decided to buy a caravan ,yes this was frowned upon ,as we wanted weekends away to enjoy life with the family,people complained that we wouldnot be able to meet for field service transgresing against jehovah stealing his time,anyhow we went out and bought a 23 foot twin wheel caravan the one you have to pull behind a car or jeep.. we visited lots of areas of natural beauty in england .but the story now gets interesting ,we ended up storing our caravan down in summerset ,we had great times at the site meeting all types of different people & familys,we met a special middle aged couple & there famiy became good friends,the husband has developed cancer ,has been given six months to live,he was left for deadby the hospital with no hope of seeing next christmas or beyond,, he had cancer in his liver ,i found a article on the internet wherby a (cancer surgeon ) had a way of operating on the liver ,i informed my friend ,gave his wife the contact address,and three weeks later he is booked in for an operation that will save & prolong his life,the surgeon is going to starve the infected cancerouse liver then remove the slight infected other liver which will then start to grow ,kapow a new lease of lifeto a man who was resigned for death.. my point here is.. if,we had listened to the society, (about bad associations ).
the liver is the only organ in the body that can actually regenerate itself.... a very logical procedure when explained... but we sincerely hope that this operation works for our dear friend...
comments you will not hear at the 12-22-02 wt study.
november 1, 2002 watchtower page 14. christians neutrals in the last days .
john 17:16: "they are no part of the world, just as i am no part of the world.".
I have just read the comments, on the wt study for sunday, oh I am so glad that I have not attended the meetings for some time now.... it was getting harder and harder to sit through the talks never mind the wt study.... in fact for the last year, i only attended the talk and left before the wt study, because I could not in all honesty sit and listen to some of the drivel that was being discussed, and the 'heartfelt answers' LOL being given, be these self rightous, self opinionated people...... and just reading your comments makes me so wild....I am so glad that the burden of having to study the WT lifted, and researching on my own steam, and being allowed my own thoughts is very uplifting and independent, and it makes me feel sooooo goooodd..
hope i didn't ramble too much
wife of nightwarrior
after seven years we finally got a call from an elder this morning.
he wants to come over and talk to steve (he wouldn't talk to me or give me any message).
this particular elder was from steve's old congregation in austin, texas.
well you have heard of the seven year itch???? maybe this 'friend' has an itch, you can can just imagine him sctaching his head and thinking, mmmmm not seen my old friend Steve, must be all of seven years, must give him a call, I know how about the holidays..... ha ha ha ha i would give them such a mouthful that not only would he have an itch to scratch, he would be nursing sore ears aswell for another seven years....
nightwarrior
have to share this experience with you all.
years ago we were advised in england that computers were frowned upon not to bother with them,anyhow i never listened & therfore we bought into the computer market,we were allso advised not to spend to much time with televisions,of which i took alittle note got rid of it for six months,it gave us back family time ,any how as you guesed it the persuasion came from the local elders ,(geting rid of things.).
we then decided to buy a caravan ,yes this was frowned upon ,as we wanted weekends away to enjoy life with the family,people complained that we wouldnot be able to meet for field service transgresing against jehovah stealing his time,anyhow we went out and bought a 23 foot twin wheel caravan the one you have to pull behind a car or jeep.. we visited lots of areas of natural beauty in england .but the story now gets interesting ,we ended up storing our caravan down in summerset ,we had great times at the site meeting all types of different people & familys,we met a special middle aged couple & there famiy became good friends,the husband has developed cancer ,has been given six months to live,he was left for deadby the hospital with no hope of seeing next christmas or beyond,, he had cancer in his liver ,i found a article on the internet wherby a (cancer surgeon ) had a way of operating on the liver ,i informed my friend ,gave his wife the contact address,and three weeks later he is booked in for an operation that will save & prolong his life,the surgeon is going to starve the infected cancerouse liver then remove the slight infected other liver which will then start to grow ,kapow a new lease of lifeto a man who was resigned for death.. my point here is.. if,we had listened to the society, (about bad associations ).
Have to share this experience with you all
Years ago we were advised in England that computers were frowned upon not to bother with them,anyhow i never listened & therfore we bought into the computer market,we were allso advised not to spend to much time with televisions,of which i took alittle note got rid of it for six months,it gave us back family time ,any how as you guesed it the persuasion came from the local elders ,(geting rid of things.)
We then decided to buy a caravan ,yes this was frowned upon ,as we wanted weekends away to enjoy life with the family,people complained that we wouldnot be able to meet for field service transgresing against jehovah stealing his time,Anyhow we went out and bought a 23 foot twin wheel caravan the one you have to pull behind a car or jeep.
We visited lots of areas of natural beauty in England .but the story now gets interesting ,we ended up storing our caravan down in summerset ,we had great times at the site meeting all types of different people & familys,we met a special middle aged couple & there famiy became good friends,the husband has developed cancer ,has been given six months to live,he was left for deadby the hospital with no hope of seeing next christmas or beyond,, he had cancer in his liver ,i found a article on the internet wherby a (cancer surgeon ) had a way of operating on the liver ,i informed my friend ,gave his wife the contact address,and three weeks later he is booked in for an operation that will save & prolong his life,the surgeon is going to starve the infected cancerouse liver then remove the slight infected other liver which will then start to grow ,KAPOW a new lease of lifeto a man who was resigned for death.
MY POINT HERE IS.
IF,we had listened to the society, (about bad associations )
IF we hadnot bought the computer.
IF. We hadnot bought the caravan
IF. we hadnot made friends with this dear family.
THIS MAN WOULD HAVE BEEN A PART OF HISTORY, SADLY MISSED BY HIS GRIEVING FAMILY BUT NOW HE HAS A NEW LEASE OF LIFE TO LOOK FORWARD TO .
GUESS WHAT.i never considerd myself to be a J.W. AT THE TIME WE BECAME FRIENDS.
I SHALL & ALLWAYS WILL BE KNOWN TO ALL MEN AS ????????????????????
( THE GOOD SAMARITAN ) ME AND MY WIFE .
why all the racismn within the world .
,personaly i cant understand it,i know people can be racist against culture,but colour ,come of it.
,jesus was brown ,mosess was black he had to be living in egypt ,have angels got a colour if not why not ,dont be afraid to answer as i wont hold it against you if you dont ,me i have great friends from all nationalitys .have you transended from the obligitory type cast person that you were born has your life been enriched by meeting someone of another culture, i know we have been richly rewarded.
HI FARKEL
You misinterpreted the question,
it isnot about colour , the QUESTION, is showing others that some may be racist or have racist attitudes against ,say you or me, or any other nationality DUE TO THERE COLOUR.
But that jesus was ? therfore this will help them along the road of change which many in this world need to do
by the way (FARKEL) calling me racist has really hurt me ,youve burnt me to the core, your the type of person ime trying to reach ,but you have jumped in both guns blazing,i used to be like you ,one other thing
My farther was from AFRICA/My mother from ENGLAND My grandmother from Russia from and of course we have a mixture of Jewish & Arab in the family as well as muslim ,what a mixture
i have allways fought aginst racism from early youth ,now learn not to judge others
PEACE BE UPON YOU ..............NIGHT............ OR ...........KNIGHT
elders in my area are sifting within the congregations,.
london england .
e.g whom they consider to be rebeliouse /bad association/not even going to the persons homes announcements made because they can.
Lets look at the time element involved,its christmas season of good will ,yes,for those that have slipped away from the association of brothers,say 2 ,3 ,4, 5 ,or 6 years the local body of elders may call upon you without any appointment ,trying to catch you celebrating christmas as we are all aware ,
there are those that find out from friends or relatives that announcements have been made at the kingdom halls describing them as bad association ,because they are scaring the rest of the flock into total submission,
I RECEIVED A TELEPHONE CALL FROM AN ELDER,VERY RECENTLY,I HADNOT BEEN ATTENDING THE CONG FOR OVER 4 YEARS,a friendly question was asked did i consider myself as a jehovahs witness
i replied i havenot been to the kingdom hall in the last four years, personaly i wpouldnot care if they all were set on fire ,
2 WEEKS LATER AT THE CONGREGATION I T WAS STATED I HAD DISASSOCIATED MYSELF , HENCE CHECK OUT OTHER INPUT YOU WILL FIND THE SAME THING HAPPENING IN OTHER AREAS
THANK YOU.
i had a dram.
some of you may life but being a newby ifelt i needed to experience this with you all,what do you think of it please read this ,from a lowly man.. the dream started where i was on the top floor of an old building,which had unstable floors there was no way down & no stairsas i looked out of the window i was enclosed by wire fencing with no way out there was a hole in the floor where there should have been stairs,i started to panick ,suddenly on the floor below a young woman came into view i asked her to help me get down,she didnot seem to want to help at first,but then placed an old type of unsteady ladder up in the stairwell so that i could climb down,i felt it wasnot safe to traverse down therfore i asked her a question as to tryinf another way down ,eventualy i climbed down the ladder, iwas still traped inside a perimitor chainlink fence,i then made my way out of the building through a window directly onto this old fence which was swaying & buckling beneath my weight, i ended up inside another compound at a higher level as i was about to touch the outer perimeter fencing i noticed that i was surrounded by a group of wolves which came running towards me,oww nooooi cried, all but one of the wolves then but dissapeared into tunnels alone wolfcame right up into myface & started groeling of sorts i then said something to the wolf ,then the wolfstarted singing,to me in a very happy voice (duet) this lasted a few minutes iwas then trying to climb over the enclosure fencing with the wolf trying to follow me,i was pushing the wo;f back but it still wanted to follow,.
the next thing i recall .
I HAD A DRAM
Some of you may life but being a newby ifelt i needed to experience this with you all,what do you think of it please read this ,FROM A LOWLY MAN.
The dream started where i was on the top floor of an old building,which had unstable floors there was no way down & no stairsas i looked out of the window i was enclosed by wire fencing with no way out there was a hole in the floor where there should have been stairs,i started to panick ,suddenly on the floor below a young woman came into view i asked her to help me get down,she didnot seem to want to help at first,but then placed an old type of unsteady ladder up in the stairwell so that i could climb down,i felt it wasnot safe to traverse down therfore i asked her a question as to tryinf another way down ,eventualy i climbed down the ladder, iwas still traped inside a perimitor chainlink fence,i then made my way out of the building through a window directly onto this old fence which was swaying & buckling beneath my weight, i ended up inside another compound at a higher level as i was about to touch the outer perimeter fencing i noticed that i was surrounded by a group of wolves which came running towards me,oww nooooi cried, all but one of the wolves then but dissapeared into tunnels ALONE WOLFcame right up into myface & started groeling of sorts i then said something to the wolf ,then the wolfstarted SINGING,to me in a very happy voice (duet) this lasted a few minutes iwas then trying to climb over the enclosure fencing with the wolf trying to follow me,i was pushing the wo;f back but it still wanted to follow,
THE NEXT THING I RECALL . Is this woman appeared again she appeared so lownly, that i was compelled to follow her wherever she went a second woman now enters into the dream and walcks up to me and starts fondling me laughs & walks away,the first woman she was so sad ,somewhat looked & acted in a robotic fashion,she eventualy stopped ina small type of horses stable tack / room her clothes had dissapeared except her top ,showing all she had, she stood there without any emmotion just wanting sex, i said no sorry
another boy stopped & said from behind me if you dont ,then i will , i was compeled to place myself inside this woman3 jerks & i was out saying ime married then i ran , expecting to be accused of some type of rape ,
i then see three or four vans i decide my best course was to get into one of them & leave,the first one had no keys in the ignition.i then see a man whom is a driver of one of the vehicles whom invites me into his vehicle ,i get in and inside are 2 doberman dogs, i feel intimidated by there presence the next thing i see are 4 dobermans patroling & saying nothing but acting sinister, the driver wont let me into the front seat where i would feel safe and secure 10 minutes into the journey the clothing starts to move & underneath the clothing a family of around 15 to 20 people appear they range from all ages ,i then feel a little more comfortable but still feel threatend ,i walk towards a kitchen with the dobbermans appearing & following me,as we start to talk with the family members i see that they all look a type of deathly white putrid colour there skins were void of any contact with the sun,they appeared uncultured uneducated/type of friendly,all living within this van
i asked if any of them went to school no they said because we follow father on his everyday working deliveries
once a week i asked no for six months of the year ,ONE OF THEM SAID ,ime going to get me a wife with some colour in them ,i thought t better not be me your thinking of,i was then shown the bedrooms with women lying down producing babies full of no concern they all appeared to be missfits,a youngster saw me pick up a magazine & i started to read it to pass the time of dayaway, he pointed 7 said look he can read everyone, he can read,then he said the only books we have ever read are the watchtowers & the awakes ,Iwas then talcking to his father whom just smiled & said yes i am or was a jehovahs wittness with great pride
Yet he was leading his family into death ,controling there every thought,everymovement driving them wherever he chose to drive his van he was in total control not allowing the sunshine of god to land on his family leading them away from pastures green .JUST A DREAM.