Posts by rocketman

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Who's the biggest WT villian? Russell/Rutherford/Knorr/Franz?

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mine is rutherford.

the bible student movement of russell was badly splintered after the usurpation and was destined to fade away like the other russellite movements.

then judge joe decides to rebrand with 'jehovah's witnesses' and concieves of many different schemes designed to put his people into danger and gaining publicity for a sect that no one really thought about any more.

rocketman

Reslight's comments do highlight a big reason why I personally don't hold Russell as responsible as Rutherford and subsequent WT leaders - there was freedom to disagree, and the Bible Students didn't claim to be organized "Theocratically", a notion which originated with Rutherford.

Without Rutherford, I think the entire history changes most significantly than it would have by subtracting Knorr or Franz or any other leader. In other words, by subtraction, removing Rutherford from the equation would have, in my theoretical scenario anyway, changed the organization the most because it would not have become so autocratic.

So yes, Russell started the whole thing, and the noose of 1914 is still attached, but I don't think that he in any way envisaged what we've seen from this religion since his passing.

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JULY 15th Study Watchtower - NEW LIGHT IS FANTASY

by The Searcher in

the july 15 study watchtower uses all 4 study articles to try to inculcate into every witnesses' mind that the governing body is indisputably god's sole channel of communication on earth.

to do so, it uses a multitude of scriptures along with seriously flawed un-inspired reasoning.

the foundation stone of this watchtower's blatant agenda is the claim that when jesus used only a few to dispense the physical food to the many, he was setting a principle which would be applied to the distribution of spiritual food after he returned to heaven.

rocketman

Some excellent (and funny) comments.

I am forced to wonder how many are actually involved in the distribution of so-called spiritual food. There are people besides the Governing Body who are involved. The GB clearly doesn't do it all - they just have oversight of it. And I wonder how much direct oversight they really have in terms of actual, hands-on involvement.

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Who's the biggest WT villian? Russell/Rutherford/Knorr/Franz?

by Las Malvinas son Argentinas in

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mine is rutherford.

the bible student movement of russell was badly splintered after the usurpation and was destined to fade away like the other russellite movements.

then judge joe decides to rebrand with 'jehovah's witnesses' and concieves of many different schemes designed to put his people into danger and gaining publicity for a sect that no one really thought about any more.

rocketman

I should add that I think Rutherford win easily outdistance Russell in a Poll. I'm reading Slimboyfat's thread now, which is much more comprehensive since it includes other WT leaders, including Fred Franz, who, with Rutherford, garners a lot of votes on that thread from what I read so far.

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Who's the biggest WT villian? Russell/Rutherford/Knorr/Franz?

by Las Malvinas son Argentinas in

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mine is rutherford.

the bible student movement of russell was badly splintered after the usurpation and was destined to fade away like the other russellite movements.

then judge joe decides to rebrand with 'jehovah's witnesses' and concieves of many different schemes designed to put his people into danger and gaining publicity for a sect that no one really thought about any more.

rocketman

I'm going to check out slimboyfat's thread - I missed it. But in the meantime, if a Poll were conducted, I'm quite certain that J.F. Rutherford would "win" hands-down. In fact, I would go as far as to say that he would garner virtually every vote.

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Ever Have A Close Call?

by rocketman in

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yesterday i had a close call on the road - an out-of-control pickup truck veered into my lane, spinning as it approached and crashed into a pole about 50 feet in front of my car.

this is the second close encounter i've had, (both involving someone driving a pickup truck).

in this case, a couple of seconds made a huge difference, since i may have been directly hit had i just been a bit further along in my drive.. i would imagine that once a few days pass, i'll give less and less thought to the incident and i doubt it will precipitate major changes in my life or outlook (which i generally think is pretty healthy).

rocketman

Wow, cofty, that was a close call.

Finally Awake - that might be might worst nightmare, being submerged in a car.

Doofdaddy, that's quite an experience - a driver on meth trying to negotiate a road like that. Now THAT'S a recipe for disaster.

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Ever Have A Close Call?

by rocketman in

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yesterday i had a close call on the road - an out-of-control pickup truck veered into my lane, spinning as it approached and crashed into a pole about 50 feet in front of my car.

this is the second close encounter i've had, (both involving someone driving a pickup truck).

in this case, a couple of seconds made a huge difference, since i may have been directly hit had i just been a bit further along in my drive.. i would imagine that once a few days pass, i'll give less and less thought to the incident and i doubt it will precipitate major changes in my life or outlook (which i generally think is pretty healthy).

rocketman

Wow, some real hair-raisers, and many of them a lot closer-to-disaster than my experience yesterday!

Giordano, I aslo nearly drowned in the high school swimming pool. I got in over my head, literally, and before I knew it I was struggling. A fellow classmate rescued me.

Satanus, I know what you mean about drivers who turn around. A guy I used to hang around with would constantly turn to talk to back seat passengers when he drove, which is one reason I no longer hang around with him.

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Ever Have A Close Call?

by rocketman in

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yesterday i had a close call on the road - an out-of-control pickup truck veered into my lane, spinning as it approached and crashed into a pole about 50 feet in front of my car.

this is the second close encounter i've had, (both involving someone driving a pickup truck).

in this case, a couple of seconds made a huge difference, since i may have been directly hit had i just been a bit further along in my drive.. i would imagine that once a few days pass, i'll give less and less thought to the incident and i doubt it will precipitate major changes in my life or outlook (which i generally think is pretty healthy).

rocketman

Thanks Sophie6,

Yep, I'm fine. I'm not sure about the driver of the pickup - there have been no news reports. A policeman was talking with him when I left the scene, so despite the violent collision with the utility pole, he might be OK.

I actually was in an accident about twenty five years ago, when my car was rear-ended by another driver, a younger kid who didn't bother cleaning off his icy windshield. He only cleared a small hole to look through. That incident shook me up too, but I had just a very minor injury. It still does come to mind on winter mornings when I'm cleaning my windshield.

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Ever Have A Close Call?

by rocketman in

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friends

yesterday i had a close call on the road - an out-of-control pickup truck veered into my lane, spinning as it approached and crashed into a pole about 50 feet in front of my car.

this is the second close encounter i've had, (both involving someone driving a pickup truck).

in this case, a couple of seconds made a huge difference, since i may have been directly hit had i just been a bit further along in my drive.. i would imagine that once a few days pass, i'll give less and less thought to the incident and i doubt it will precipitate major changes in my life or outlook (which i generally think is pretty healthy).

rocketman

Yesterday I had a close call on the road - an out-of-control pickup truck veered into my lane, spinning as it approached and crashed into a pole about 50 feet in front of my car. This is the second close encounter I've had, (both involving someone driving a pickup truck). In this case, a couple of seconds made a huge difference, since I may have been directly hit had I just been a bit further along in my drive.

I would imagine that once a few days pass, I'll give less and less thought to the incident and I doubt it will precipitate major changes in my life or outlook (which I generally think is pretty healthy). But for now, I am a bit shaken by it.

Have you ever had a close call, a near-accident, or an actual accident that left you wondering what might have been had the timing been just a little different? Did it make you think any differently about your life or life in general?

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What are the qualifications to be a baptizer at the assemblies?

by Iamallcool in

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They have to have a ready supply of white t-shirts.

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Watchtowers Collective

by Marvin Shilmer in

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watchtowers collective .

today i added a new article to my blog highlighting a fairly recent study of the watchtower organizations treatment of raced people.

what she ends up stating is shocking to read, but its what folks have been saying for years and years.

rocketman

I read the Scripture differently than you do. I see at least a degree of deconstruction of race implied. I'm not saying it says to "forget" or "displace" their racial ties. I'm saying that there's a matter of degree implied.