Posts by cookiemaster

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Blood Refusal Tragedy Sparks National Outrage

by cookiemaster in

so, here's some news from my country.

there was this 20 year old jw girl who was a rookie driver.

she was in the car with her parents and for some reason decided to cross a railroad right before a train was coming.

cookiemaster

You guys make a lot of great points. Actually, in one of the first news reports that I've seen, they show a quote from the Romanian version of jw.org which clearly shows that JWs see blood transfusions as an extremely serious sin against God. The journalists point out to this indoctrination and "the people's attorney" for that city (something like an American district attorney) gives an interview saying that he believes this JW doctrine goes against basic human rights and that doctors should have full authority in these kinds of situations to do what is best for the patient, which is why a criminal investigation has been launched which could potentially target the borg.

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Blood Refusal Tragedy Sparks National Outrage

by cookiemaster in

so, here's some news from my country.

there was this 20 year old jw girl who was a rookie driver.

she was in the car with her parents and for some reason decided to cross a railroad right before a train was coming.

cookiemaster

Crazyguy - Here's a link to a very, very bad English translation, but I think you can make out the main stuff: http://www.jwblood.org/19yo-woman-whose-family-refused-blood-transfusions-for-religious-reasons-died-in-hospital/
Sadly, this is the only thing I could find in English about this event. Maybe you want to show the news reports to someone, but sadly, I can't find them in English.

Sadly, I can't find the statement of the branch representative online. But the guys says that it really happened. Really shook his faith. Probably it was given to one of the small local papers that don't get as much coverage. With hundreds of Romanian websites telling this story at the moment, I can't seem to find it. But it wouldn't surprise me to be true as it is their official position in the neighboring country of Bulgaria.

It was one of the conditions for the religion to become legal in the country. You can find proof of that and the whole story in JW Facts. So, they have declared this publicly before almost 20 years ago. Of course, JWs in Bulgaria know it isn't true, as anyone having a transfusion will suffer the known consequences. It just goes to show how hypocritical they are.

At least this girl's death wasn't totally in vain and it managed to turn the entire public's opinion against JWs in this country. Now, most people are seeing them as a super dangerous cult that kills people. This infamy will make it very hard for them to get any converts. I wonder how long before they'll drop this evil doctrine.

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Blood Refusal Tragedy Sparks National Outrage

by cookiemaster in

so, here's some news from my country.

there was this 20 year old jw girl who was a rookie driver.

she was in the car with her parents and for some reason decided to cross a railroad right before a train was coming.

cookiemaster

Also, this thread on Reddit discusses this issue too:

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/3slraa/19_year_old_girl_dies_in_romania_after_jw_parents/

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Blood Refusal Tragedy Sparks National Outrage

by cookiemaster in

so, here's some news from my country.

there was this 20 year old jw girl who was a rookie driver.

she was in the car with her parents and for some reason decided to cross a railroad right before a train was coming.

cookiemaster

Sorry for taking so long to reply. I had a bit of work. This unfortunate event indeed took place in Romania, near a city called Suceava. The girl had a "No Blood!" directive (what WTH is called) on her. That doesn't have legal value in this country, but like I said she was in a coma so her parents where her next of kin and were legally entitled to take that decision for her. According to the news, the prosecutors have already started a criminal investigation in the matter. JWs are being so hated at the moment in this country because of this. But so many of them are out defending their doctrines on any news website, claiming not taking blood is safer, LOL. As for the news, here are a few links:

http://stirileprotv.ro/stiri/social/au-ales-religia-si-si-au-lasat-fiica-sa-moara-cazul-grav-petrecut-in-suceava-anchetat-de-avocatul-poporului.html

http://www.libertatea.ro/detalii/articol/o-fata-de-20-de-ani-din-suceava-a-murit-cu-zile-in-spital-557985.html

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Blood Refusal Tragedy Sparks National Outrage

by cookiemaster in

so, here's some news from my country.

there was this 20 year old jw girl who was a rookie driver.

she was in the car with her parents and for some reason decided to cross a railroad right before a train was coming.

cookiemaster

So, here's some news from my country. There was this 20 year old JW girl who was a rookie driver. She was in the car with her parents and for some reason decided to cross a railroad right before a train was coming. Being a rookie (most cars in Europe have a manual transmission), she stalled the engine and couldn't get the car out of the way before the train hit it. Her parents were fine but she was in critical condition.

She was in a coma and required a blood transfusion but her parents absolutely refused to accept it. The doctors pleaded with them but with no avail. They had no choice but to administer erythropoietin as the witnesses asked, even though that is almost useless as a treatment in such an emergency situation. The doctors began legal proceedings to overrule the decision of the parents but the parents hired a lawyer and attempted to move her to a different hospital where she would receive surgery. She died on the way.

This tragedy made national news. A branch representative gave a statement to the journalists stating that JWs do not mandate the refusal of blood, that this is a personal choice and that those that accept blood suffer no repercussions in the congregations. Funny thing is, next to him was the guy that visited my mother last month and knew that she was forcibly disassociated for taking a blood transfusion. He confronted the branch guy about his statement and the branch guy replied "What, did you expect me to tell the truth to the media?".

In the meanwhile, this tragedy has been hotly debated on numerous national news channels and newspapers. Most people have responded with outrage and JWs are hugely unpopular and infamous because of this. So much so that they stopped going in field service altogether in the region where that girl died out of fear for their own safety. Everyone is enraged with what a stupid cult this was, for basically killing this 20 year old girl. I can't imagine any other type of response. JWs truly gave a good witness on this occasion about what they really are.

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What happened to shunning ?

by cookiemaster in

okay, so...i haven't been to the kingdumb hall since last spring but i like to believe i'm up to date with the jw ways.

as most of you have heard many times already, my mother was disfellowshipped (actually they said he disassociated), for accepting blood transfusions in a life or death situation.

right after coming from the hospital the elder said she da'd.

cookiemaster

Okay, so...I haven't been to the kingdumb hall since last spring but I like to believe I'm up to date with the JW ways. As most of you have heard many times already, my mother was disfellowshipped (actually they said he disassociated), for accepting blood transfusions in a life or death situation. Right after coming from the hospital the elder said she DA'd. My mother hasn't been to the hall since, hasn't called a single witness, anything.

Yet, a few weeks ago, an old family friend JW who has doubts visited. Last week another sister (uber fanatic) has called to check on her, even though she's well aware my mother is no longer considered a JW, and now today, an older JW couple from a different congo visited. An elder and his wife no less. Even though they both know my mother is DA'd. Still, they acted pretty friendly and even brought her some small presents. WTF is going on with these people? My mother was never too popular in the congregation and when it's become common knowledge for JWs in the area that she's no longer considered one, she gets four different people check on her in a matter of weeks?

These latest visitors are quite an unique case too, as the elder's wife has a form of leukemia. They said they wouldn't know what to do in a situation requiring a transfusion and that it should be a matter of personal choice. That nobody can understand how hard it is to go through such a thing. Pretty weird. I was under the impression JWs take shunning seriously.

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Peaceful Revolution in Romania and Taxing Religions

by cookiemaster in

some of you might know i'm from romania.

some of you might have also heard about that terrible club fire that killed 32 people and injured hundreds.

the whole thing happened because the club owners bought the officials to allow them to operate even though the location was a fire hazard.

cookiemaster

Some of you might know I'm from Romania. Some of you might have also heard about that terrible club fire that killed 32 people and injured hundreds. The whole thing happened because the club owners bought the officials to allow them to operate even though the location was a fire hazard. Anyway, this event has triggered nation wide protests. It was a tipping point which prompted people to start fighting fiercely against corruption of all kinds and many social issues.

The prime minister and the government have resigned. One of the most powerful backlashes has been against religion though, especially the Christian Orthodox Church which has used government money to build a 400 million Euro cathedral. There are protests against religion's corruption all over the country and people are asking for the future government not only to stop offering any funds to religions, but also to start taxing them heavily. So, if this wish comes true, JWs will have to deal not only with anti-religious sentiment among the people, but also with their revenues being taxed.

This is a small country and they only have about 40,000 members here, but even if they only lose a few hundred thousand Euro, it will awesome! Another financial blow to them. Blow after blow, the financial burden is pilling up into a tower, and there's not going to be enough begging to save them in the end (I hope.

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ANNOUNCEMENT CLIP ...2015 Annual meeting Sam Herd confirming what we knew a month ago about slow down and halt of worldwide construction

by Watchtower-Free in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_h68ktwpim&feature=youtu.be.

cookiemaster

If they're doing cost cutting, maybe the Gibberish Buddies could start by selling their super expensive watches, rings, bracelets, suits, etc, etc. Also, just look at the enthusiasm on his face while reading that stuff. It's electric, LOL. It's like he's going on death row or something, that's how happy he seems while reading that thing.

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Why Do You No Longer Believe in God?

by Tenacious in

i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?

was it the wts and all its crap?

was it something you read?

cookiemaster

Because the more I learn about the universe, the more I understand about our world, the less likely it seems that a god or that gods exist. At first, I tried to reconcile my theistic upbringing with science, by thinking maybe God is what triggered the Big Bang and Evolution. Then, I realized that only my emotions were making me think that way, and that there's no rational reason to think that way. So, after all, why would I? Think of it this way. If since you were born nobody ever talked to you about this concept of God. Nobody brainwashed you from the earliest age by constantly telling you about this invisible deity. If you had simply just learned about the world and the universe as we understand it today, without any religious intervention, would you have had any reason to come up on your own with this concept of God?

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How Cultish are the JW's?

by xjwsrock in

first off, i certainly agree the jw's are a cult.

but i'm sensitive to black-and-white thinking now.. so, where do they rank on the scale?

think of a cultish religion scale from 0-10.. consider the likes of unitarian universalism vs baptist vs amish vs charles manson.. where do you think jw's fall on the scale?.

cookiemaster

Giving a rating of 10 to the suicide cults, I would also give a 10 to the JW cult. My reasons for this are simple. I had to spend 4 hours begging my mother to forget her brainwashing and choose not to die by taking a blood transfusion. Thankfully, she ultimately did, but I can't get over the fact that this cult almost killed her for nothing.

Aside from that, at the age of 19, she left her Christian Orthodox family because they didn't approve of the cult. She became a pioneer in the communist regime (the first pioneer in this country), preaching and illegally transporting literature at the risk of imprisonment or death. She gave up everything for this cult: family, freedom and life. When a life and death situation came, the cult said they have no obligation to help her. On top of that, they said she disassociated.

So, based on my personal experience as well as everything else I know and was taught about the cult, this cult does the following:
- asks members to die by refusing blood
- asks members to kill their children by refusing blood for them
- shuns members that leave or oppose these teachings
- limits social contact with the outside world
- brainwashes members into irrational beliefs
- demands the time and resources of members
- controls every aspect of the life of members (marriage, sex, appearance, education, profession, hobbies, holidays, etc)
- tolerates pedophiles

Taking into account that in the past this cult did not allow organ transplants and even vaccines, alongside the blood transfusion issue, I think the number of victims it has made far exceeds that of any other death cult (HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF VICTIMS), with the exception of Islam. With all this in mind, I strongly believe it is a 10 on the scale, being one of the most destructive types of cults in existence.