hello folks:.
i was just thinking...what do you think the borg would look like if they said it's no longer necessary to do the preaching work...it's voluntary?
1. some would go tru the motions just to appear 'spiritually strong'.
You know the one scene in OFFICE SPACE about the "pieces of flare"? It would be that. With the JW's things that become " voluntary" tend to be met with over-compensation. A good example is when they stopped charging for the magazines. They recieve more money by donations then they ever did charging (what was it...) a quarter per magazine.
Same thing, everyone would overreact. pioneer numbers would drop, but average publisher hours would probably go up.
Just a guess though.
i was wondering if there were any other ex-bethelites on here.
i personally regularly went for temporary work at brooklyn then was assigned to the farm for a year and a half.
it was... one of the most bizaare experiences of my life.. so i wrote it all down (finally, after some 15 years) so i won't bore anyone on here with the details of the story - because bethel doesn't show up until chapter 15... and for you straight folks, it gets a bit gay in two places... but nothing gross.
@LisaRose Thank you for that. It's annoying, and the pain eventually went away (after like a year)... but it's a horrible feeling to wake up in the morning and realize.... "yeah, i'm going to be in pain today... AGAIN." THAT statement never goes away. Anyway, thank you.
@Aunt Fancy Thank you as well. It gets a little crazy, but there is a point to it (from a humanity level). But honestly, if something gets too gay, just skip to the next chapter. LOL.
@laverite I honestly would love to have it published. It needs an editor and a checker. I have gone through it a million times and still find small errors, so I just stopped looking at it. I am a perfectionist... but even I know at some point I need to hand it over to someone else and let them deal with the "production" aspect of it. If you know anyone please let me know LOL!! (and I thank you for finding it worth a second read).
or did the slaughtering of animals as sacrificed to god from abel`s time on , just appease his blood lust.. smiddy.
Growing up I was taught that everyone was vegetarian. Now, while on the ark, vegetables would only last so long, but we're skipping past that.
After the ark landed then those that were paired off were to go and reproduce, and those that there were seven of were to be used for sacrificing and (as true in many cultures around the same time) the meat was allowed to be consumed after it was sacrificial purpose, thus giving charcoal and wood a several thousand year head start over propane when it comes to barbequing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi7yrwljry4.
@Satanus I think I just woke up my roommate laughing so hard.
i was wondering if there were any other ex-bethelites on here.
i personally regularly went for temporary work at brooklyn then was assigned to the farm for a year and a half.
it was... one of the most bizaare experiences of my life.. so i wrote it all down (finally, after some 15 years) so i won't bore anyone on here with the details of the story - because bethel doesn't show up until chapter 15... and for you straight folks, it gets a bit gay in two places... but nothing gross.
@gma-tired2 Thank you for that. I hope the read wasn't too difficult, or at least your gay ex-JW wasn't a obnoxious as I, LOL. The greater point isn't the shocking value of the situations of the world, but the relatable emotions for which we find ourselves interracting with humanity, whether gay or straight, male or female. I hope that was able to come through.
Thank you for reading and yes... i have had a much MUCH happier life.
i have basically thrown away all of my bound volumes and loose wt and awake magazines.
i kept some bpoks, the insight to the scriptures, god's love, the reasoning book, and daniel's prophecies (this was my favorite) .
i held onto insight to the scriptures after reading some of ray franz's book, crisis of conscience.
so you mentioned Ray Franz's "Crisis of Conscience". So I read that, maybe 6 months after being DF'd. And out in the world (in general and in the gay world) I was feeling pretty lonely in one regard... namely, I didn't think anyone could relate to me. I can relate to everyone, so I had many friends, but I couldn't find anyone to relate to me. So I bought his book... I thought I would give it a read.
Now, 6 months out, there are still SOME spiritual moorings tied down. So when I bought the book I was VERY much afraid. I paid with my debit card and I was afraid JW police were going to track me down and find out where I was located. It took me a week just to OPEN the damn thing for fear the demons were going to fly out of it like the opening the Ark of the Covenant scene in Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark.
That didn't happen. In fact, I found it a very comforting read. After that, I ditched ALL my JW stuff, except the pioneer book which (i'm going to be honest) I didn't even know i had. Their dogma changes so often, no matter what material I held onto, it would be outdated in 5 years.
But anyway, I like this thread and that is my "Crisis of Conscience" story.
i was wondering if there were any other ex-bethelites on here.
i personally regularly went for temporary work at brooklyn then was assigned to the farm for a year and a half.
it was... one of the most bizaare experiences of my life.. so i wrote it all down (finally, after some 15 years) so i won't bore anyone on here with the details of the story - because bethel doesn't show up until chapter 15... and for you straight folks, it gets a bit gay in two places... but nothing gross.
@laverite Thank you very much for reading. I know it's a long story and takes some committing to. I'm sorry if I made you unproductive at work or anything LOL. Honestly, thank you. feel free to share if you think anyone my benefit from it.
@lrkr I guess what you're saying is that i should NOT post pictures.... LOL. I don't think I ever read ONE thing that made me think everything was shit. I mean, the humanity in general was already a big issue in my head, so for me it was just a matter of a series of rules... whatever those rules were and whatever they were compromised of didn't matter, the point is that there are rules - follow them.
When getting to WTF, i realized the double standards and the unfairness between departments and workers. THAT is when i thought that place was "bat shit crazy".
And I'm still like that, even today. The dogma is dogma... it doesn't matter if it's Mormon or Jehovah's Witness... it's the same series of rules just different shades of coloring. It all looks the same to me because the output is the same.
wow...went to see les miserables at the weekend - it was brilliant!.
anyone else seen any good shows lately?
The first time I saw Les Miz was at the Imperial Theater in New York on July 26, 1996 and it was starring (and I'm quoting from my friend) "that sad little soap oprea star from Menudeo".
He was talking about Ricky Martin. LOL.
i was wondering if there were any other ex-bethelites on here.
i personally regularly went for temporary work at brooklyn then was assigned to the farm for a year and a half.
it was... one of the most bizaare experiences of my life.. so i wrote it all down (finally, after some 15 years) so i won't bore anyone on here with the details of the story - because bethel doesn't show up until chapter 15... and for you straight folks, it gets a bit gay in two places... but nothing gross.
Well, Irkr... In my story I have first and last names, room numbers, job descriptions, congregation locations, and a specific elder who ruined many people's lives by the name of Bechman.
It was just two days ago I was looking through some pictures at my time at WTF and wondering if i should add them to the story. I think I might... not. Now. LOL.
since the anointed class used to be the faithful and discreet slave, i wondered if and how they can be disciplined through being disfellowshiped?
aren't they given a little more latitude in how they interpret scriptures and in what they say?
do people in kingdom halls who have anointed members defer to them in any way?
Yes they can be DF'd. Point is, no one gets a free ride into Jehovah's Organization... They must always be on the watch, constantly guarding, they could fall snare to Satan at any moment, one must be prepared for the end... something something illustration of the 10 virgins of Matthew 25, etc. etc. and more etc.
"Annointed" people (who one told me 'just like you know if you're a man or a woman, you just know that Jehovah has chosen you') can fall out of God's good graces, in which case Jehovah doesn't want they ruling in heaven over a bunch of people living a utopia with nothing to do but pet animals and play in the grass.
BTW I read Ray Franz's book "Crisis of Conscience". REALLY good book. Very powerful, and yet moving.
