Posts by yesidid

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BeepBeep Needs to Know About 1975!!!

by SWALKER in

i know that many of you have the information discussing the watchtower's view on this and why so many thought it was going to be the beginning of armageddon and the mass exodus from the org when nothing happened.

i remember it very well and my mom telling me not to get my hopes up because she had been looking for the ancient worthies to appear for years at the assemblies and that never happened.

then they changed their prophesy on that too!!!

yesidid

Someone here has made the statement that C.O.'s started their visits by asking to the effect how much longer. Not where I was at and I would have heard it. I was one of six brothers running the sound system during this time.

BeepBeep,

T'was I who said

CO's would start their Tuesday congregation visits by asking "How many months to go now, brothers?" The correct answer, of course, was however many months remained until September 1975.

I actually heard a CO say those words. I was told of others who said similar things. That of course does not mean that every CO around the world said them. I do not doubt for one minute that your CO did not. But the fact that yours didn't does not in any way negate the fact that it was said.

I respect that you did not hear it. Please respect the fact that I did.

yesidid

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BeepBeep Needs to Know About 1975!!!

by SWALKER in

i know that many of you have the information discussing the watchtower's view on this and why so many thought it was going to be the beginning of armageddon and the mass exodus from the org when nothing happened.

i remember it very well and my mom telling me not to get my hopes up because she had been looking for the ancient worthies to appear for years at the assemblies and that never happened.

then they changed their prophesy on that too!!!

yesidid

BeepBeep,

You are obviously going to believe what you want to believe about 1975, and that’s fine.

I would, however be grateful if you would not insult my intelligence and very clear memory of what was being promoted by the society at that time.

I WAS THERE. My husband had a responsible position at the time and we KNOW what happened.

I think your ignorance results from not knowing how the organization works.

There are two main departments running the organization; the writing department and the service department.

You read much of what comes from the writing department; Watchtowers, Awakes, books and tracts.

However the service department is the most powerful and you certainly don't get to see most of what emanates from that office.

The service dept looks after the branches and information sent to the district overseers and circuit overseers, as well as convention and assembly programs. They also compile the secret elders manual. You seem not to realize that much of what is absorbed by the publishers is not printed in the literature but is filtered through the DO’s, CO’s and letters to the elders from the branch.

As to why the Society disingenuously made plans for it’s own future, while encouraging the rank and file to sell everything

'and pioneer “in these few remaining months”, I suggest you write and ask them.

Then please let me know, I have often wondered about that blatant hypocrisy myself.

yesidid

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Guess the SPIN WTS will put on 2005 report

by yesidid in

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i know it is in the feb wt along with the report, but can we have some fun with possible spins.. i would love to hear your ideas.. .

yesidid

I know it is in the Feb WT along with the report, but can we have some fun with possible spins.

I would love to hear your ideas.

yesidid

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Jesus, the people of his day, and of theology

by drew sagan in

i'm sure this has been discussed before on this board, but since i'm new i'll throw it out there anyway.

the watchtower never reveals what the people (mainly jews) of jesus day held as to the afterlife.

it is true that the scribes and pharisees had terrible ideas mixed with greek philosophy and that they stumbled the people.

yesidid

Thank you Drew,

Even though I had not thought of it before, you are absolutely correct. Jesus message was not primarily doctrine but faith and love. How could I have missed it?.

I have checked and the book in is our library. Cant wait.

yesidid

84

WTBS article prove 587/586 BC fall of Babylon

by crazies in

labashi-marduk: (9 months) succeeded by nabonidus

(insight volume 1 p.453 chronology; watchtower 1965 january 1 p.29)

evil-merodach: 560 bce562 bce (2 years)

yesidid

crazies you have a PM

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 12-18-05 WT Study (Hosea part 1)

by blondie in

comments you will not hear at the 12-18-05 wt study (november 15, 2005 issue)(walk)(abbreviated)

review comments will be in red

wt material from today's wt will be in black

yesidid

Dear Blondie

I too look forward to your reviews. But that one really was valley of dry bones stuff. How did you stay to the end?

I do admire your tenacity. I would have given that one up at paragraph 2.

Thanks again and again and again.

yesidid

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WTBS article prove 587/586 BC fall of Babylon

by crazies in

labashi-marduk: (9 months) succeeded by nabonidus

(insight volume 1 p.453 chronology; watchtower 1965 january 1 p.29)

evil-merodach: 560 bce562 bce (2 years)

yesidid

It does make sense and I thank you.

yesidid

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BeepBeep Needs to Know About 1975!!!

by SWALKER in

i know that many of you have the information discussing the watchtower's view on this and why so many thought it was going to be the beginning of armageddon and the mass exodus from the org when nothing happened.

i remember it very well and my mom telling me not to get my hopes up because she had been looking for the ancient worthies to appear for years at the assemblies and that never happened.

then they changed their prophesy on that too!!!

yesidid

*** Watchtower 1966 October 15 pp.628-9 Rejoicing over "God's Sons of Liberty" Spiritual Feast ***
Only a liberated people can preach a release to captives, conventioners were told in the speech "Preach a Release to the Captives," which thrilled them with its hopeful outlook. "Jehovah, the God of freedom and liberty, has freed his people from Babylonish bondage and has given them a work of liberation to do. That work of liberation and salvation must go on to the finish! To give aid today in this critical time to prospective sons of God," announced President Knorr, "a new book in English, entitled 'Life Everlasting-in Freedom of the Sons of God,' has been published." At all assembly points where it was released, the book was received enthusiastically. Crowds gathered around stands and soon supplies of the book were depleted. Immediately its contents were examined. It did not take the brothers very long to find the chart beginning on page 31, showing that 6,000 years of man's existence end in 1975. Discussion of 1975 overshadowed about everything else. "The new book compels us to realize that Armageddon is, in fact, very close indeed," said a conventioner. Surely it was one of the outstanding blessings to be carried home !

[Emphasis Added]
*** Awake! October 8 1966 pp.19-20 ***
'How Much Longer Will It Be?'
6,000 Years Completed in 1975 … In what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man's existence and also the first 6,000 years of God's rest day come to an end? The year 1975… Hence, the fact that we are nearing the end of the first 6,000 years of man's existence is of great significance. Does God's rest day parallel the time man has been on earth since his creation? Apparently so. From the most reliable investigations of Bible chronology, harmonizing with many accepted dates of secular history, we find that Adam was created in the autumn of the year 4026 B.C.E. Sometime in that same year Eve could well have been created, directly after which God's rest day commenced … There is another chronological indication that we are rapidly nearing the closing time for this wicked system of things. It is the fact that shortly, according to reliable Bible chronology, 6,000 years of human history will come to an end.. After six thousand years of toil and bondage to sin, sickness, death and Satan, mankind is due to enjoy a rest and is in dire need of a rest. (Heb. 4:1-11) Hence, the fact that we are nearing the end of the first 6,000 years of man's existence is of great significance.. In what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man's existence and also the first 6,000 years of God's rest day come to an end? The year 1975. This is worthy of notice, particularly in view of the fact that the 'last days' began in 1914, and that the physical facts of our day in fulfillment of prophecy mark this as the last generation of this wicked world. So we can expect the immediate future to be filled with thrilling events for those who rest their faith in God and his promises. It means that within relatively few years we will witness the fulfillment of the remaining prophecies that have to do with the 'time of the end.'
*** Watchtower 1966 October 15 p.631 Rejoicing over "God's Sons of Liberty" Spiritual Feast ***
THE YEAR 1975
At the Baltimore assembly Brother Franz in his closing remarks made some interesting comments regarding the year 1975. He began casually by saying, "Just before I got on the platform a young man came to me and said, 'Say, what does this 1975 mean? Does it mean this, that or any other thing?'" In part, Brother Franz went on to say: 'You have noticed the chart [on pages 31-35 in the book Life Everlasting-in Freedom of the Sons of God]. It shows that 6,000 years of human experience will end in 1975, about nine years from now. What does that mean? Does it mean that God's rest day began 4026 B.C.E.? It could have. The Life Everlasting book does not say it did not. The book merely presents the chronology. You can accept it or reject it. If that is the case, what does that mean to us? [He went into some length showing the feasibility of the 4026 B.C.E. date as being the beginning of God's rest day.]
'What about the year 1975? What is it going to mean, dear friends?' asked Brother Franz. 'Does it mean that Armageddon is going to be finished, with Satan bound, by 1975? It could! It could! All things are possible with God. Does it mean that Babylon the Great is going to go down by 1975? It could. Does it mean that the attack of Gog of Magog is going to be made on Jehovah's witnesses to wipe them out, then Gog himself will be put out of action? It could. But we are not saying. All things are possible with God. But we are not saying. And don't any of you be specific in saying anything that is going to happen between now and 1975. But the big point of it all is this, dear friends: Time is short. Time is running out, no question about that.
'When we were approaching the end of the Gentile Times in 1914, there was no sign that the Gentile Times were going to end. Conditions on earth gave us no hint of what was to come, even as late as June of that year. Then suddenly there was a murder. World War I broke out. You know the rest. Famines, earthquakes and pestilences followed, as Jesus foretold would happen.
'But what do we have today as we approach 1975? Conditions have not been peaceful. We've been having world wars, famines, earthquakes, pestilences and we have these conditions still as we approach 1975. Do these things mean something? These things mean that we're in the "time of the end." And the end has to come sometime. Jesus said: "As these things start to occur, raise yourselves erect and lift your heads up, because your deliverance is getting near." (Luke 21:28) So we know that as we come to 1975 our deliverance is that much nearer.'
"Let us make the most of the time and get in all the good hard work to Jehovah while the opportunity affords," he urged.
[Emphasis Added]
*** Watchtower 1967 May 1 p.262 Where Are We According to God's Timetable? ***
THE END OF 6,000 YEARS
In examining these Scriptural facts, something else also captures our attention. According to Bible chronology, we are already over fifty-two years into the wicked system of things' "time of the end." That time began in the autumn of 1914 C.E., at the termination of the "appointed times of the nations," and it is already far advanced. Jesus said that "this generation" that saw the beginning of this time period in 1914 would also see its end. The generation that was old enough to view those events with understanding in 1914 is no longer young. It no longer has many years to run. Already many of its members have died. But Jesus showed that there would still be members of "this generation" alive at the time of the passing away of this wicked system of things in both heaven and earth. (Luke 21:32, 33) How much longer will it be, then, before God takes action to destroy the wicked and usher in the blessings of his Kingdom rule?
Interestingly, the autumn of the year 1975 marks the end of 6,000 years of human experience. This is ascertainable from reliable chronology preserved in the Bible itself. What will that year mean for humankind? Will it be the time when God executes the wicked and starts off the thousand-year reign of his Son Jesus Christ? It very well could, but we will have to wait to see. Yet of this we can be certain: the generation that Jesus said would witness those events is nearing its close. The time is close at hand. On God's "timetable" we are in the closing days of a wicked system of things that will soon be gone forever. A glorious new order is immediately before us. This is, therefore, good reason for Christians everywhere to rejoice. Yes, they rejoice because fulfillment of their prayers for the kingdom of God is now at hand.-Luke 21:28.
Therefore, keep in mind the admonition of the Lord Jesus when speaking of our day: "Keep awake, then, all the time making supplication that you may succeed in escaping all these things that are destined to occur, and in standing before the Son of man." (Luke 21:36) The prophecy is sure; the time is short.
[Emphasis Added]
*** Our Kingdom Ministry March 1968 p.4 ***
Making some special effort to do more than the usual helps us live up to our dedication. In view of the short period of time left, we want to do this as often as circumstances permit. Just think, brothers, there are only about ninety months left before 6,000 years of man's existence on earth is completed… Do you remember what we learned at the assemblies last summer? The majority of people living today will probably be alive when Armageddon breaks out, and there are no resurrection hopes for those who are destroyed then. So, now more than ever, it is vital not to ignore that spirit of wanting to do more.
[Emphasis Added]
These are just a few samples. I suggest you go to Quotes site and read them for yourself. http://quotes.watchtower.ca/1975.htm
On a personal level I know a DO who was demoted because he would not tow the party line and whip everyone into a frenzy about 1975. They had to send another DO in to undo the "damage" he created.
CO's would start their Tuesday congregation visits by asking "How many months to go now, brothers?" The correct answer, of course, was however many months remained until September 1975.
This, my friend is not heresay. I was there. I heard it. I saw it.
yesidid

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WTBTS Receives Award From Blood Management

by Gerard in

oops.

corrupted link.

http://www.jw-media.org/ and cclick on the health and medicine link.it is the first article in the list entitled "society for the advancement of blood management recognizes a primary source of information regarding transfusion alternatives" .

yesidid

I believe we can all agree that the WBTS has made great strides in the field of bloodless surgery. I, for one, am thankful for this.
But that is not the point. The point is that they will not allow their members to made an informed decision on whether to accept blood or not.
If given the opportunity who would not opt for bloodless surgery given all the risks of a blood transfusion. But I want the choice, I am an adult and I believe that I should have the right to choose for myself to accept blood or not and not have my choice legislated by a religious organization for fear of expulsion.

Amen and Amen

yesidid

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WTBTS Receives Award From Blood Management

by Gerard in

oops.

corrupted link.

http://www.jw-media.org/ and cclick on the health and medicine link.it is the first article in the list entitled "society for the advancement of blood management recognizes a primary source of information regarding transfusion alternatives" .

yesidid

I put this on the other thread.

They are a little short on good news about blood.

That was 2002. Nothing good since and lot of bad around the corner. yesidid