Posts by Smiles

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New Awake blasts internet and newspapers.

by integ in

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friends

the october 1st awake has a stern warning for "young ones" to stay away from witness websites.

they could actually be apostates you are .

talking to.

Smiles

talking to. The article talks about the fact there are websites up that claim to be for Jehovahs Witnesses, but are really apostate websites in
disguise. The article also warns of the dangers of ...NEWSPAPERS!!! Newspapers often do not tell the truth about things and we must use
discernment in determining what is true and what may be lies.

Integ, Good topic.

People should use the same discernment when reading anything even WT literature. How can a youth or anyone else be sure that the REAL apostates and liars are not at the WT?

Cygnus, I agree with you, the WT does practice "information control" and that should make an honest person curious about what the WT does not want people to know.

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Bizarre JW father/son death

by Smiles in

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friends

jw friends informed me that this family are jws with the shea heights congregation in scottsdale arizona.

i am told that the elder body there censored this family because the elder body suspected "demon problems".

i am sure those elders feel justified now.

Smiles

Rebel8,

You are exactly right. I couldn't have said it better. That was the innocent purpose of the original post, contrary to extreme interpretations of the self-acclaimed "moderate" and "Hippie" views.

The elders are incapable of providing professional emotional care evaluations and treatment, the elders are often even reckless in their methods. One must wonder what the elders think when the person they critically counsel dies.

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Bizarre JW father/son death

by Smiles in

jw
friends

jw friends informed me that this family are jws with the shea heights congregation in scottsdale arizona.

i am told that the elder body there censored this family because the elder body suspected "demon problems".

i am sure those elders feel justified now.

Smiles

The "demonic problems" were used as the reason for the family troubles over the last few years. The elders in this congregation censored this family for that specific reason and warned others in the congregation about the possibly of that demonic influence. That censorship caused further emotional problems for this family. If you do not think that the elders that made the "demonic problems" assertion now believe their assertions are validated, then you're kidding yourself.

Also, as you will note in the official press release, this tragedy is not an opened and closed accident case. Contact the on-duty Criminal Investigator at (307) 344-7381.

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Bizarre JW father/son death

by Smiles in

jw
friends

jw friends informed me that this family are jws with the shea heights congregation in scottsdale arizona.

i am told that the elder body there censored this family because the elder body suspected "demon problems".

i am sure those elders feel justified now.

Smiles

It is bizarre and suspicious anytime a father/son pair fall from a bridge to their deaths. The elders in their congregation should feel regret over the way they treated this family. WT elders should be held responsible anytime they mistreat people and cause emotional trauma.

The elder body that mishandled this family will have a hard time now trying to look like the nice guys who care and comfort the family they originally censored.

My friends knew the Speedie family and say they are good people.

OldHippie, I do not think this tragedy is a scandal, if I did, this topic would have been placed in the Scandals & Coverup category. I did not blame anyone. And I am not making fun of the deaths. How dare you suggest that.

If this tragedy is anything more than an accident, then those who played a role in the contributing issues should feel regret and be held accountable if necessary.

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Apostate Story @ New York Times

by DannyHaszard in

three times a week in the kingdom hall in miami, my brother and i strove to sit perfectly still in our chairs.

our mother carried a wooden spoon in her purse and was quick to take us outside for beatings if we fidgeted.

i sat onstage in the kingdom hall in surrey, england, where my father's job had taken us.

Smiles

Brooklyn Bethel will see the story in The New York Times. The WT has researchers at Bethel that read a lot of media. The WT has used quotes from The New York Times in their publications. They will see this story and they won't care.

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Bizarre JW father/son death

by Smiles in

jw
friends

jw friends informed me that this family are jws with the shea heights congregation in scottsdale arizona.

i am told that the elder body there censored this family because the elder body suspected "demon problems".

i am sure those elders feel justified now.

Smiles

Speedie, a native of Canada, was a world-renowned computer software designer. He was based in Scottsdale, but lectured in the United States and other countries for Missouri-based Visonpace.

Drew is well-known in the FoxPro community as the author and architect of the Visual MaxFrame Pro framework. He began work on it in the early days of VFP and continued to improve and enhance it through several job changes and buy-outs. But FoxPro veterans may also remember that he was one of the key developers for a FoxPro project for Mobil Oil that dwarfed nearly every other system on the planet.

Drew was a friend and a valued member of the Visionpace team. He was the architect and primary developer of the Visual Maxframe Professional VFP framework and a frequent speaker at Fox conferences in North America and Europe and was often accompanied by Brent and his wife, Irene.

Drew was different than most of the FoxGang. Though he enjoyed going out for a good meal and a couple of beers as much as anyone, most of his time, even at conferences (and after that first one, there's hardly been a FoxPro conference where Drew didn't speak), was spent working or with his family. Because Drew and his wife Irene chose to home school, Brent and Irene frequently accompanied Drew to events. We all watched Brent grow from a precocious toddler to a sweet teenager, who hadn't yet started to drive his parents crazy.

Brent's education included plenty of computer programming. More than once, he served as Drew's assistant for a session and at conferences, he could often be seen testing his father's code. In fact, Brent is the top bug finder for Visual MaxFrame Pro.

When I first met Brent, he was about two. He was polite and articulate. Seeing him only a couple of times a year, his growth always surprised me. In addition to learning the three R's, Brent's education included plenty of computer programming. More than once, he served as Drew's assistant for a session and at conferences, he could often be seen testing his father's code. In fact, Brent is the top bug finder for Visual MaxFrame Pro. Brent was one of those “I can't wait to see how he turns out” kids; the loss of his future is tragic.

http://www.utcoverage.com/FoxTeach/March2001/Sun18.jpg

http://advisor.com/doc/17092

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Bizarre JW father/son death

by Smiles in

jw
friends

jw friends informed me that this family are jws with the shea heights congregation in scottsdale arizona.

i am told that the elder body there censored this family because the elder body suspected "demon problems".

i am sure those elders feel justified now.

Smiles

BRIDGE OVER GARDNER RIVER BETWEEN MAMMOTH AND TOWER JUNCTION - YELLOWSTONE PARK

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Pope immune from sex lawsuit?

by Smiles in

i wonder how the wt will try to use this legal decision to protect themselves and the wt pedophiles.

u.s. government says pope immune from lawsuit .

associated press.

Smiles

The WT lawyers will say "You can't sue us, we're friends with the United Nations!"

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Bizarre JW father/son death

by Smiles in

jw
friends

jw friends informed me that this family are jws with the shea heights congregation in scottsdale arizona.

i am told that the elder body there censored this family because the elder body suspected "demon problems".

i am sure those elders feel justified now.

Smiles

JW friends informed me that this family are JWs with the Shea Heights congregation in Scottsdale Arizona. I am told that the elder body there censored this family because the elder body suspected "demon problems". I am sure those elders feel justified now.

Tragic and very suspicious deaths.

http://www.nps.gov/yell/press/0573.htm

Yellowstone National Park News Release

INFORMATION FOR THE MEDIA	CONTACT: Matthews or Vallie
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE	(307) 344-2010
September 18, 2005	05-73

Names Released on Victims Involved in High Bridge Incident

Yellowstone National Park officials report the names of the two victims who fell from the Gardner River High Bridge on Friday, September 16, 2005, are Drew Webster Speedie, 50 years old, of Scottsdale, Arizona, and his son, Brent Quinn Speedie, 13 years old, also of Scottsdale.

A Yellowstone National Park ranger was contacted by a park visitor on Friday about the incident at the Gardner River High Bridge ( High Bridge), located on the Mammoth-to-Tower Junction road approximately one mile from Mammoth Hot Springs. A language barrier prevented the ranger from fully understanding the nature of the report, other than that some sort of incident had occurred or was occurring at the bridge.

The ranger immediately responded to the area to determine the nature of the report. At the bridge he contacted a woman who reported that her husband and teenage son had gone to take a picture 2 ½ hours earlier and had not returned. She had hiked a short distance looking for them without luck. The ranger began searching the area, and subsequently discovered two bodies below the bridge near the river embankment, around a 200-foot drop from the top of the bridge. The individual who first reported the incident has not been relocated to interview with an interpreter, and the park has been unable to locate anyone else that might have seen what happened.

Forensic autopsies have been completed and show the cause of death as blunt trauma due to the fall.

Yellowstone National Park officials are asking anyone that might have witnessed anything on the High Bridge between 9:30 a.m. to 12:00 p.m. on Friday, September 16, or who might have other helpful information to please contact the park's Communication Center at (307) 344-7381 and ask for an on-duty Criminal Investigator.

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October 22 Awake! Young People Ask article about chat rooms and apostates

by truthseeker in

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friends

the following article found in the october 22 awake magazine is about witness youths and chat rooms.

only the main paragraphs are given.

pg 17

Smiles

I think Quotes just made the WT's Top Ten Apostates List.