Posts by Smiles

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"Christian Witnesses of Jah" by Greg Stafford

by Bartolomeo in

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how many of you know greg stafford and his youtube channel "christian witnesses of jah"?

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i really like his style, always calm, respectful of the holy scriptures and firmly based on them to analyze the teachings of the wt from which he disagrees.

Smiles

Let's all follow the firmly based teachings of mild-mannered Greg.

All heil the great G!

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Is This New?

by Lost in the fog in

it is a very long time since i was an elder and the elders textbooks have changed multiple times since then.

going back to when i was an elder, to the best of my knowledge the only way a spouse could divorce from his/her partner was porneia, if that person had sexual relations with a man, woman, child, or beast.

but it had to be proven and that's the dubious 2 witness rule.. in fact, if it was not proven and the innocent party divorced and married someone else, then they could be hauled up in front of a judicial committee and be charged with committing adultery and disfellowshipped!

Smiles

Like how Jade & Nita are now living together and having culty bedside chats?

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Latest jw broadcast referring to allegations of protecting pedophiles

by jonahstourguide in

hi folks.. i put this in abuse as i thought it relevant.. a physically in mentally out friend that considers our friendship greater than religion told me that on the latest broadcast steven lett alluded to satans voice being behind people that claim the organisation protects pedophiles.. my friend then went on to say they must be in damage control.. he added, but that is correct, they are hiding their internal records.

is not that construed as protecting the accused?.

if i get the inclination i may post a snippet of what was actually said.. sadly my friend is trying to protect his family relationships and so goes along with the charade.. his situation weighs on me but, as many of you here know, it can be a difficult road to travel.. jtg.

Smiles

lol

WT recently relaxed conditions for when/where unmarried JW females are expected to wear a head covering.

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Latest jw broadcast referring to allegations of protecting pedophiles

by jonahstourguide in

hi folks.. i put this in abuse as i thought it relevant.. a physically in mentally out friend that considers our friendship greater than religion told me that on the latest broadcast steven lett alluded to satans voice being behind people that claim the organisation protects pedophiles.. my friend then went on to say they must be in damage control.. he added, but that is correct, they are hiding their internal records.

is not that construed as protecting the accused?.

if i get the inclination i may post a snippet of what was actually said.. sadly my friend is trying to protect his family relationships and so goes along with the charade.. his situation weighs on me but, as many of you here know, it can be a difficult road to travel.. jtg.

Smiles

Creepy how WT is pushing this culty soap opera of Jade & Nita, who have gone from serendipitously meeting on the street at a JW cart to... now living together in a flat?

Even having heart-to-heart bedside chats?

Is this what WT wants JWs to do with interested people?

Jade & Nita are quickly becoming a JW odd couple.

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Latest jw broadcast referring to allegations of protecting pedophiles

by jonahstourguide in

hi folks.. i put this in abuse as i thought it relevant.. a physically in mentally out friend that considers our friendship greater than religion told me that on the latest broadcast steven lett alluded to satans voice being behind people that claim the organisation protects pedophiles.. my friend then went on to say they must be in damage control.. he added, but that is correct, they are hiding their internal records.

is not that construed as protecting the accused?.

if i get the inclination i may post a snippet of what was actually said.. sadly my friend is trying to protect his family relationships and so goes along with the charade.. his situation weighs on me but, as many of you here know, it can be a difficult road to travel.. jtg.

Smiles

As M. Stephen Lett uses the September 2022 broadcast to warn millions of JWs about the deadly lure of material possessions, remember Lett was right then gesturing with that fat gold ring on his right pinky finger...

and how Lett bros co-own a large waterfront house in Alabama USA... that is, unless they have since sold the property holdings and are now rolling around naked on a pile of cash in contempt of the GB "vow of poverty & obedience"

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Latest jw broadcast referring to allegations of protecting pedophiles

by jonahstourguide in

hi folks.. i put this in abuse as i thought it relevant.. a physically in mentally out friend that considers our friendship greater than religion told me that on the latest broadcast steven lett alluded to satans voice being behind people that claim the organisation protects pedophiles.. my friend then went on to say they must be in damage control.. he added, but that is correct, they are hiding their internal records.

is not that construed as protecting the accused?.

if i get the inclination i may post a snippet of what was actually said.. sadly my friend is trying to protect his family relationships and so goes along with the charade.. his situation weighs on me but, as many of you here know, it can be a difficult road to travel.. jtg.

Smiles

Sep 2022 WT Broadcast by M. Stephen Lett is probably, among other psychological bullying, an attempt at damage control ahead of greater exposé on WT lead attorney Philip Brumley being publicly penalized on August 23, 2022, by a district court judge in Montana USA for "at mimimum, reckless disregard for providing an accurate and truthful accounting"... of WT manipulation of congregation CSA matters during 1970-1989.

Lett said if you listen to such negative counterfeit words 'you will not just lose your money, you will lose your LIFE'

Lett then makes weird facial expressions to convince you his threat is sincere.

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Senior JW member in Australia charged with sex crimes and torture

by Nathan Natas in

see: https://7news.com.au/news/crime/senior-jehovahs-witnesses-member-charged-with-rape-torture-and-assault-of-teenage-boys-c-8044666.

"senior jehovah’s witnesses member charged with rape, torture and assault of teenage boys...".

the 61 year-old man "faces 21 counts of rape, 17 counts of sexual assault, 13 counts of procuring sexual acts by false pretence and one count each of incest, torture and common assault.".

Smiles

If there are two or more accusers, by WT policy, those elders ought to be "rallying around" the victims, not the perpetrator.

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Tried to warn another mum

by DarleneGatus in

the thing that broke me was that i tried to warn another mum in the congregation about a brother who was inappropriate with my son, which upset me, and so i called her to talk about it since we both knew him and i had also seen him pin her daughter down on the sofa and slap the girl's bottom.

i called it inappropriate, but i never accused him of anything beyond that.. unfortunately, word got back to him and i had to go in front of 3 elders, including the brother who i felt had been inappropriate.

because they came down on me for trying to stop the behavior, and not on him for being the cause of upset, i felt very hurt and started questioning more things.

Smiles

"I had also seen him pin her daughter down on the sofa and slap the girl's bottom."

You mentioned sitting before three elders. The presence of three elders usually indicates the matter has advanced into an official judicial committee. Before that occurs, an accusation is typically first investigated by a pair of just two elders, who then report their findings to the entire body of elders to reach concensus whether an official judicial committee (of three or more) should be formed to judge the accused person.

Besides you, was the daughter or any other eyewitnesses willing to step forward with testimony to those elders. If so, by WT policy, that should have established real substance to the matter by means of their two or three "witness rule"

If you were the only person raising this accusation to those JW elders, that is like bleeding in shark infested water... JW elders and the accused person will attack as they did to you, usually threatening DF for lies/slander/apostasy/etc...

Major flaw there in "Jehovah's clean organisation"

Sometimes JWs will swing to the other extreme. There was a brother, average quiet single chap, that was accused of brushing up against a married sister's buttocks in a crowded area of the KH where many mingle after a meeting. He denied it. She brought in, as her eyewitness, the woman she had been talking with at the moment she felt contact on her butt. The "eyewitness" stated she did remember a sudden facial expression of alarm on the sister's face but did not notice the brother actually make contact while walking past behind the accuser. The accuser insisted it "felt like a quick grab" on her buttock.

Again, the brother acknowleged he had been mingling among the crowd but denied deliberately touching the sister.

The accuser and her "eyewitness" got emotional over the situation, and had managed to get the gossip about the matter spread into multiple congregations. The accuser's husband even asked everyone to drop the matter.

End result was the body of elders and circuit overseer decided the accusation had not been adequately established, (judicial committee was not deployed) however, notoriety of the fiasco had reached a level where the brother, though technically viewed as innocent, was nevertheless deleted (under his protest) from special privileges and asked to keep a low profile because many of the uninvolved sisters that heard about it reportedly "feel uncomfortable around him"...

This carried on for several years, and he eventually had to leave the area hoping to get a fresh start, but some among that body of elders ensured the mess was mentioned in the letter of introduction routinely sent to his new congregation (overseas) That new congregation responded by requesting clarification because the brother was showing fine fruits of mature spiritually in his new congregation. Branch offices got involved... the brother is still, years later, not permitted to have any special privileges of service in the congregation. All of this from what is considered an unsubstantiated accusation.

Surprisingly, the accused brother remains loyal to the borg.

It is upsetting to see how feckless WT can be when "handling" accusations, particularly accusations of the sexual sort.

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refusing to go in service with someone

by enoughisenough in

did you ever refuse to go in service with someone?

i did.... i went to the kh to meet for service and 3 brothers were there.

i told the brother taking the lead, that when he made up the car groups to take note i had a plan of my own -the 3 brothers could go together and i would do my own thing.

Smiles

That is why it is always best to "already have plans"... never allow JW leadership to make plans for you.

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Tried to warn another mum

by DarleneGatus in

the thing that broke me was that i tried to warn another mum in the congregation about a brother who was inappropriate with my son, which upset me, and so i called her to talk about it since we both knew him and i had also seen him pin her daughter down on the sofa and slap the girl's bottom.

i called it inappropriate, but i never accused him of anything beyond that.. unfortunately, word got back to him and i had to go in front of 3 elders, including the brother who i felt had been inappropriate.

because they came down on me for trying to stop the behavior, and not on him for being the cause of upset, i felt very hurt and started questioning more things.

Smiles

Darlene, we here salute your efforts to protect children.