Posts by Smiles

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BIG SURPRISE at upcoming International Conventions

by Smiles in

has anyone else been told about this...... word out of hq bethel has it that the upcoming special international conventions will contain some kind of major information or releases.. we know the gb has been rather quiet the last couple years after their 'reorganizing'.

perhaps because they are facing the sex abuse scandal..... but also likely they have been working on some fancy surprises for the upcoming special international conventions, to excite their masses......... and also try to detract them from the scandals.

it would be good timing of their part.. this should be interesting......... .

Smiles

Prisca,

Something along those lines. But I doubt it stops there.

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"Apostates" to protest International ...

by Smiles in

are any "apostates" planning to protest at the upcoming special international conventions?

we heard the wts is going to pull out the surprises.

for those who may not know.... the jws make a big deal out of these special international conventions, often referring to them as 'historical milestone' in jw history.. manys jws, more than the norm, including those without any seniority (unusual), have been hand-picked from many thousands of jw applicants worldwide, to travel to the exciting foreign locations around the world (and 1 or 2 u.s. locations) for the upcoming international conventions.

Smiles

Are any "apostates" planning to protest at the upcoming special international conventions? There should be. We heard the WTS is going to pull out the surprises.

For those who may not know.... the JWs make a big deal out of these special international conventions, often referring to them as 'historical milestone' in JW history.

Manys JWs, more than the norm, including those without any seniority (unusual), have been hand-picked from many thousands of JW applicants worldwide, to travel to the exciting foreign locations around the world (and 1 or 2 U.S. locations) for the upcoming international conventions. Sounds grand, but, they are required to cover most of the costs out of pocket. Most will be required to come up with $2,000 - $4,000 to go. Except for the traveling guest speakers, their wives and the guest missionaries, who enjoy all expenses paid of course.

The WTS is going to try to make history again at the upcoming international conventions.

Are any "apostates" planning to make the trip to REMIND all the happy, excited JWs about their sex abuse problems

Can't pass up that opportunity!

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BIG SURPRISE at upcoming International Conventions

by Smiles in

has anyone else been told about this...... word out of hq bethel has it that the upcoming special international conventions will contain some kind of major information or releases.. we know the gb has been rather quiet the last couple years after their 'reorganizing'.

perhaps because they are facing the sex abuse scandal..... but also likely they have been working on some fancy surprises for the upcoming special international conventions, to excite their masses......... and also try to detract them from the scandals.

it would be good timing of their part.. this should be interesting......... .

Smiles

Has anyone else been told about this.....

Word out of HQ Bethel has it that the upcoming special INTERNATIONAL conventions will contain some kind of major information or releases.

We know the GB has been rather quiet the last couple years after their 'reorganizing'.

Perhaps because they are facing the sex abuse scandal..... but also likely they have been working on some fancy surprises for the upcoming special international conventions, to excite their masses......... and also try to detract them from the scandals. It would be good timing of their part.

This should be interesting.........

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"THE MINISTRY OF THE WORD"

by Blueblades in

jw
friends

its been over two years now since the g.b.

revised the legal organizational structure to further stress "the ministry of the word".. james n. pellechia, public affairs director for the religion,denied that the potential legal problems has anything to do with the reorganization.. he said the g.b.

is simply being relieved of administrative tasks so it can concentrate more on "the ministry of the word".. the g.b.

Smiles

From what I have been told by some at Bethel, is it may take the WTS a number of years to research, write, edit, print and release a new publication of a more weighty nature.

Something major is likely to be released at the upcoming INTERNATIONAL convention programs held around the world.

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Loyal Elders! Please Read This!

by metatron in

if you still are an elder in the organization - and you are threatened or potentially.

threatened with any kind of lawsuit related to the congregation, please do one thing.

without delay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Smiles

LOYAL ELDERS

Is there such a thing?

If they are loyal to the WTS then they would not be reading in this forum.

If they are not loyal to the WTS they will be screwed over by the WTS, like B. Bowen was.

Whether an elder is loyal or not, one thing is for sure...... they will never accept any blame. They will always blame someone else for their mistakes....... as most elders are loyal to themselves.

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one of the anointed deleted

by DIAMOND in

jw
friends

i've just been told that a po of a local congragation as well as being one of the anointed has been deleted of everything.

this man gave talks at the coventions.

was on stage at the assemblies to talk about how well he did with his family.

Smiles

DIAMOND,

As in location.......city..........congregation.........

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WT Denies Anointed Have Special Divine Insight

by Smiles in

the wt hierarchy seems to invalidate their "anointed" members, in print, by the following quote:.

watchtower 1991 march 15, page 22.

"who really have a heavenly calling".

Smiles

Interestingly, the WT still maintains this viewpoint, denying that the "anointed" have any special divine insight.....

The exact same statement that appeared in the March 1991 WT has appeared yet again word for word in the:

Feb.15, 2003 Watchtower, page 20,paragraph 16.

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WT Denies Anointed Have Special Divine Insight

by Smiles in

the wt hierarchy seems to invalidate their "anointed" members, in print, by the following quote:.

watchtower 1991 march 15, page 22.

"who really have a heavenly calling".

Smiles

DazedAndConfused,

The source of that WT quote was listed. It is in bold font at the top of this page within the first post.

If anyone else is also dazed and confused as to the source of the WT quote, here it is again:

Watchtower 1991 March 15, page 22.

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WT Denies Anointed Have Special Divine Insight

by Smiles in

the wt hierarchy seems to invalidate their "anointed" members, in print, by the following quote:.

watchtower 1991 march 15, page 22.

"who really have a heavenly calling".

Smiles

The WT hierarchy seems to invalidate their "anointed" members, in print, by the following quote:

Watchtower 1991 March 15, page 22. "Who Really Have a Heavenly Calling"

" Professing to have a heavenly calling does not bring a person special revelations. God has a channel of communication through which he provides spiritual food for his earthly organization. (Matthew 24:45-47) So nobody should think that being an anointed Christian gives him wisdom superior to that of the "great crowd" with the earthly hope. (Revelation 7:9) Spirit anointing is not indicated by proficiency in witnessing, answering Scriptural questions, or giving Bible talks, for Christians with the earthly hope also do very well in these respects."

Isn't this WT quote shocking?

Especially considering that all members of the JW Governing Body profess to be anointed.... And considering that the WT teaches that the "Faithful & Discreet Slave class" is made up of the collective group of "anointed" JWs on earth....

If the anointed do not have any:

"special revelations"

OR

'superior wisdom'

then it makes sense that neither does the JW Governing Body or the "Faithful & Discreet Slave class", since they all profess to be 'God's anointed'.

If the WT says that the "anointed" do not have:

"wisdom superior to that of the "great crowd"

WHY are the "anointed" in charge supervising and governing the entire JW religion.....

Also, if:

"anointing is not indicated by proficiency in witnessing, answering Scriptural questions, or giving Bible talks"

then that disproves JWs, the "Faithful & Discreet Slave class" and their Governing Body, since they all pride themselves in their numbers and success in preaching, publishing Scriptural literature and giving Bible talks.

If the "anointed" do not possess any special divine insight then the religious doctrine that the "anointed" teach cannot be of any special divine origin........... as they claim it is.

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WT............Humble or Arrogant?

by Smiles in

many of us know all too well how the wt hierarchy portray themselves and the wt organization itself as exceptionally "humble.

they often suggest that their "humility" helps to prove that they are, as a whole, the elite men of god.. the wt hierarchy is very dogmatic about the "humility" thing, to the point where openly doubting their great claims will harshly land you in the hot seat.. some of these wt statements are quoted below.

after reading these wt quotes please tell us if you think these things prove the wt hierarchy to be humble or arrogant.

Smiles

Many of us know all too well how the WT hierarchy portray themselves and the WT organization itself as exceptionally "humble."

They often suggest that their "humility" helps to prove that they are, as a whole, the elite men of God.

The WT hierarchy is very dogmatic about the "humility" thing, to the point where openly doubting their great claims will harshly land you in the hot seat.

Some of these WT statements are quoted below. After reading these WT quotes please tell us if you think these things prove the WT hierarchy to be HUMBLE or ARROGANT

Comments please.

Watchtower 1974 July 1, page 413. "Humbly Conform to Jehovah's Way for Salvation"

"If we object to something done by the body of eldersor criticize the way some matter is handled, we are being disloyal to Jehovahs organization. Let us remember that the elders are not newly converted men; they have been serving Jehovah for years. (1 Tim. 3:6)..

.."Why, then, should we criticize one of the brothers for handling the Kingdom interests in a way that the holy spirit seems to direct him? And if the brother is wrong in the way he handled something, we should have faith that the holy spirit will correct him"..

.."May all of us work with them, recognizing that there is no salvation without humility and a willingness to conformto Jehovahs way"..

Watchtower 1993 December 1, page 22. "Happy Are the Humble"

"Then, in any Christian congregation, all , including the ministerial servants, have to show subjection to the elders. Is it not also true that elders are in subjection to the faithful slave class, especially as represented by the circuit overseer? Then again, the circuit overseer needs to be in subjection to the district overseer, and the district overseer to the Branch Committee of the land where he is serving. What about the Branch Committee members? They must be "in subjection to one another" and also to the Governing Body representing the faithful and discreet slave class, which, in turn, is accountable to Jesus, the enthroned King. (Matthew 24:45-47)"

Watchtower 1974 July 1, page 409, 410. "Humbly Conform to Jehovah's Way for Salvation"

"The womens liberation movement is something of which people the world over have been made aware. Some women associated with it, viewing the Bible as a book produced by men, haughtily claim that the scripture that says man "is Gods image and glory; but the woman is mans glory," is nothing more than a male chauvinists opinion. (1 Cor. 11:7) The pride of such women has brought them into direct conflict with Jehovah"

Watchtower 1980 September 1, page 16. "Showing Concern for the "Flock of God""

"It must truly be acknowledged that by far the majority of Christian overseers today are showing proper concern for "the flock" in a variety of ways."

The WT hierarchy takes it upon themselves to define what is true humility and what is false humility.

Below are a couple quotes from WT publications with their definitions of true and false humility.

Watchtower 1974 July 1, page 408. "Humbly Conform to Jehovah's Way for Salvation"
"The word translated "humility" in the Hebrew Scriptures comes from a root meaning "to be bowed down."

Insight, Volume1, pages 1160-1161 "Humility"

"False Humility. Christians are warned against letting their humility be only on the surface. Anyone who takes delight in a mock humility can become "puffed up without proper cause by his fleshly frame of mind." A person who is truly humble will not think that the Kingdom of God or entering into it has to do with what one eats or drinks or what one refrains from eating or drinking. The Bible shows that a person may eat or drink or may refrain from partaking of certain things because he feels he should, from a health standpoint or for the sake of conscience. Yet if a person thinks that his having a favorable standing with God depends on whether or not he eats, drinks, or touches certain things or whether or not he observes certain religious days, he does not realize that his actions are "possessed of an appearance of wisdom in a self-imposed form of worship and mock humility, a severe treatment of the body; but they are of no value in combating the satisfying of the flesh."Col 2:18, 23; Ro 14:17; Ga 3:10, 11.

False humility can actually result in developing haughtiness in the individual, for he may tend to think he is righteous on his own merit; or he may feel that he is accomplishing his ends, not realizing that he cannot deceive Jehovah. If haughtiness develops, he will in time be humbled in a way that he will not enjoy. He will be brought low, and it may be to his own destruction.Pr 18:12; 29:23."

WT ....... HUMBLE or ARROGANT