Wulf

Joined

• started 1 topics
• posted 27 times   see topics posted on
• send a message

Posts by Wulf

• 
  12

  Is governance by the "Governing" Body merely an ILLUSION?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  jesus received his mission orders from jehovah.. the apostles received their mission orders from jesus.. .

  philip received his mission orders from an angel.. paul received his mission orders directly from a vision of christ.. .

  barnabas took paul to jerusalem where he met james (jesus brother and peter) for fiteen days.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Wulf

  Interesting analysis Terry. So you directly link the emergence of the GB to Franz's failed 75 prediction?

  As obvious as that might seem, I had never thought of it that way. I had assumed that it was a restructuring based on the size of the orgnization and individuals flexing muscles within the power structure, which included Franz and Knorr obviously but was a certain time in coming and linked to various factors.

  While it is a bit before my time, I think I saw people who had taken the Presidency side or the GB side. I would really like to get to the bottom of this, out of personal curiosity.
• 
  1

  Terry's new book

  by Wulf in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i read sometime back that terry is finishing his book.

  terry, wherever you are, i'm looking forward to reading it.

  please make sure you make an ebook version.

  1. 
• 

  Wulf

  I read sometime back that Terry is finishing his book. Terry, wherever you are, I'm looking forward to reading it.

  Please make sure you make an ebook version
• 
  59

  The Governing Body scenario is nearly identical to that in 1977 - no power

  by Dogpatch in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the watchtower perposely keeps its leaders "cordoned off" for a reason.

  the ones really in charge want to be invisible and have been in control since knorr's day, and still think like him.

  the gb want like hell to be visible and powerful.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Wulf

  Actually Randy's discussion of Gene Smalley and the blood issue is a good example of decisions being made concerning core JW doctrine and practice against the legal department on behalf of ideological (and ultimately cynical) reasons.

  Of course things can change especially if the org comes into serious legal problems, but the point is it's entirely possible to imagine invisible powerful influencers who are not in the legal department or the financial side of things, but hold authority because of insider status and tradition. Or you might get one or two members of the GB who hold disproportionate power and have associates outside the GB.

  The question of who are currently calling the shots in terms of all the doctrinal adjustments etc is certainly a valid and intriguing one in my mind.
• 
  29

  WTF just happened??? An elder I haven't seen in years stopped by to hand me a XXXXXXXX !!!

  by Calebs Airplane in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so yesterday afternoon, an elder who lives only 3 blocks away drives up to my house as i was about to enter my car.

  as he gets out of his car, i noticed he had a stack of photocopied paper in his hand and he seemed quite nervous.

  i was genuinely happy to see him nonetheless since he is pretty easygoing and very likeable.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Wulf

  Poor Elder 1 might very well get hauled into a backroom and "counselled"!
• 
  52

  A question for those that have been around this board for a long time

  by JeffT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my wife and i stopped going to meetings in 1988 and da'd in 1989. for a few years we both actively participated in the xjw world, she quit doing that a long time ago, and has pretty much completely moved on.

  the other night i told her about my planned blog (which will probably launch this weekend) it will mostly be about my writing, a lot of which is mostly about jw related issues.

  she asked why i am still so drawn to this subject.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Wulf

  Im new here though I left the org long ago. Because I grew up surrounded by heavies, power in the org had a face. So I have a minor fascination with JW history, some of the individuals in it, the power structure and the nature of all the duplicity. I will probably disappear soon. There are some interesting people on here.
• 
  59

  The Governing Body scenario is nearly identical to that in 1977 - no power

  by Dogpatch in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the watchtower perposely keeps its leaders "cordoned off" for a reason.

  the ones really in charge want to be invisible and have been in control since knorr's day, and still think like him.

  the gb want like hell to be visible and powerful.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Wulf

  The organization may or may not be funnelling funds to an elite (who knows). It could be simply "existing", like a living organism.
• 
  59

  The Governing Body scenario is nearly identical to that in 1977 - no power

  by Dogpatch in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the watchtower perposely keeps its leaders "cordoned off" for a reason.

  the ones really in charge want to be invisible and have been in control since knorr's day, and still think like him.

  the gb want like hell to be visible and powerful.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Wulf

  Dont forget the WTS is a corporation. You can't understand the JW religion only in terms of doctrine. You have to take into account its corporate nature which actually forms several of its core practices ie. Field service and placement of literature. This is what makes JWs so odd to me as a religion.
• 
  59

  The Governing Body scenario is nearly identical to that in 1977 - no power

  by Dogpatch in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the watchtower perposely keeps its leaders "cordoned off" for a reason.

  the ones really in charge want to be invisible and have been in control since knorr's day, and still think like him.

  the gb want like hell to be visible and powerful.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Wulf

  @Eden

  The GB didn't have airtight control over doctrinal matters, and neither did the presidency. They commissioned people like Ray Franz and Ed Dunlap to research and write, which caused problems for them. Also if you listen to Ed Dunlap's interview on the net you can see he was directing special elders' schools and doctrinal issues did come up. IMO Ed Dunlap would have been something of a go to guy for the GB on interpretation at times because he was so deep into the organizational teachings (and not in a neurotic Freddie Franz way). He knew his stuff.

  I have no difficulty imagining people calling the shots behind the scene and wielding hidden power to varying extents. This happens in all organizations. But I am genuinely curious as to who Randy is specifically referring to. I can imagine the Adams brothers for example but I want to see who really knows
• 
  59

  The Governing Body scenario is nearly identical to that in 1977 - no power

  by Dogpatch in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the watchtower perposely keeps its leaders "cordoned off" for a reason.

  the ones really in charge want to be invisible and have been in control since knorr's day, and still think like him.

  the gb want like hell to be visible and powerful.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Wulf

  Hi Lois. Thanks!

  Im only 3rd gen. However you could say my family was very zealous. I think that's about as far as I want to go!

  This site has a lot of knowledgeable people and I really appreciate Randy's work. I find it endlessly intriguing.

  I do think what he is claiming here is quite strong and if he (or anyone else) could be explicit about who's currently who behind the scenes then it would make for fascinating reading.
• 
  59

  The Governing Body scenario is nearly identical to that in 1977 - no power

  by Dogpatch in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the watchtower perposely keeps its leaders "cordoned off" for a reason.

  the ones really in charge want to be invisible and have been in control since knorr's day, and still think like him.

  the gb want like hell to be visible and powerful.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Wulf

  Im in a similar position to Metatron. My family knew the old guard.

  Who are the puppetmasters you are referring to exactly? Names?

  Do you mean Don Adams? And who else? Can others corroborate this? This is a genuinely interesting topic but I wish there were more specifics.