Well, Ralf, I guess that qualifies you to call yourself a Jehovah's Witness as much or more than the next guy.
Can you tell me how big is this circle?
j
a big miracle
i composed an instrumental song "god is love" and sent it as an mp3-file via email to a christian music publisher.
every time the song was cut in half, the rest was missing.
Well, Ralf, I guess that qualifies you to call yourself a Jehovah's Witness as much or more than the next guy.
Can you tell me how big is this circle?
j
when my mom first came to live with me, i begrudged it.
i was angry.
i left home at age 14 and that was fine by me.
Dear Sparky,
The universe is huge, and expresses endlessly. What we call "our lives" is also the universe unfolding. Things are as they are. Carry no guilt or remorse fore what you have done or did not do. Or what others have done, or have not done. It is as it is. The universe unfolding.
Be silently present in the moment, and do not abide too much or too long in the drama, judgments and chatter of the mind. Be kind to yourself and feel what it is to be alive, breathing, and just silently be-ing.
If it becomes too painful, then that is natures way of saying it's time to change. Your mother may have to be placed in a home. Again, you have done the best you can, and the universe unfolds. Not so much because of our efforts, as for harmony in a hugeness we are mostly unaware of. It is as it is. Be at peace with yourself. Be kind to yourself. You are always doing the best that you can. If you could have done something different you would have. Same goes for your dear old mother.
j
i'm a newbie on here.
been away from the truth for nearly a year now and have just got my divorce from my violent ex who is stil serving in the congregation.
found things hard and still am, as the 'truth' is all i've ever known....so am on here for some well needed support, if thats ok?
Welcome, KCM.
am on here for some well needed support, if thats ok?
It's not only OK, we would have hunted you down and tickled you until you had joined us.
j
i was almost 50 years old before i really knew anything factual about how the bible came into existence!.
it is astounding.. i was reading it since i was a child never with a doubt in my head.
i was told by people i trusted (who had no reason to lie) that i could be confident the bible was the word of god almighty.. and, it was as simple as that!.
TopHat:
You will have to wait and sit on it James. The miracle of LIFE itself tells me there is something exceptional out there, without reading the Bible.
So, you are saying that an infinite expression of life and universe does not give witness to a limited patriarchal deity as being our true Source?
j
in one type of meditation the mind is able to be fully conscious without he intrusion of words, which lead to thoughts,.
trevor, i'm not trying to get on your ass here, but, please.... thoughts without words?
that is a fundamental epistemological impossibility...rather like farting without emitting gas.. or, perhaps, we're talking about a purely personal "mystical" experience, which cannot be put into (and did not spring from, nor finds any possible formulation within) words?
Deliciously lucid observations, Poppers.
j
i was almost 50 years old before i really knew anything factual about how the bible came into existence!.
it is astounding.. i was reading it since i was a child never with a doubt in my head.
i was told by people i trusted (who had no reason to lie) that i could be confident the bible was the word of god almighty.. and, it was as simple as that!.
But who would I be without my tribal deity? Who would I be without his offspring -- my beloved Jesus?
Certainly you can not pull the rug of my entire reality and identity out from under me, offering me nothing in return, and expect me to applaud you.
j
i got an interesting email that i wanted to share that deals with beliefs.
in this case it deals with financial success but it also applies to doctrinal beliefs.
example: witnesses are positive thinkers but not positive knowers (is that a word?
WAC:
I got an interesting email that I wanted to share that deals with beliefs. In this case it deals with financial success but it also applies to doctrinal beliefs.
Beliefs run deep. V e r y d e e p.
Sit, and silently run through your mind everything believed about your self and all the beliefs regarding your relationship to the rest of the universe (it's unlikely one could seriously do this, unless you are a monk in a cave; but for now do the best time allows).
Does any of the noted beliefs, in any way, describe the silent conscious presence which sees all the beliefs (that which is most close and intimately you)? Can it be seen that everything ever thought and believed about "self", is not self?
So then, if you are not what has been believed for all these years, what are you -- really? and isn't it important to know since our relationship to everyone and everything is based on what we perceive our-self as being?
j
is the jw teaching on hell correct or is there a real hell fire?
has anyone done some research on this.
this is one bible topic i just can't get my head around.
Hell, is a word which points to a sense of reality so isolated and cut-off from life that death seems warm and beautiful. I've been there.
On the other hand: When we can walk out under a night sky and wordlessly sense the infinite wonder and awe of the expression of life and existence in and around us, it's crystal clear that there is no real hell, and never can be.
j
nu 31:17-18 moses, following the lord's command, orders the israelites to kill all the midianite male children and "... every woman who has known man ...." (note: how would it be determined which women had known men?
one can only speculate.
dt 21:10-13 with the lord's approval, the israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women" from the enemy camp to be their captive wives.
So, you come here attempting to steal away our beloved murderous tribal god; what do you have to replace it that our meager lives may retain some meaning?.....other than Tetra's riddle, which I am still working on.
j
history has demonstrated:.
religion is following orders by implicitly trusting someone or something.. science asks questions.. religion purports to answer questions.. science seeks to disprove its own conclusions.. religion seeks to reinforce its own dogma.. science is error-correction toward adjusting for realities as they unfold.. religion internalizes against reality by mocking up a substitute.. science is the most recent development of the human mind.
technology proves science to be successful in advancing human progress.. religion disdains human progress and waits for the end.
Terry, your "I was one of Jehovah's Witnesses and I stood proud and tall..." post was an exquisite classic, fit for framing and placing on a wall.....hopefully in every Kingdom Hall. May I live to see the day.
Narkissos, there are many, many champions of the religious, logical, scientific and philosophical ways of thinking here. It is not that I "hate thinking", rather I down-play it in attempts at pointing to what comes before it. That, which thinking happens within. That, which unites us even when thinking seemingly divides us. It is not necessary to switch thinking off in order to realize what thinking unfolds within; it is just that a quiet mind can be more conducive to such observation. Thinking is a wondrous and helpful thing; it's just that there is much suffering and division when we come to believe it is the beginning and end of our identity.
I suggest that the null point, or pause, is actually always here as the most immediate reality of what we truly are. It may indeed be most noticeable in the pause -- like the space between these words -- but actually the space is a little glimpse of the open expanse we would call a page, or the foundation which the words rely upon for their existence.
This is what I have continually attempted to point to: the vast foundational conscious-beingness upon which all phenomena owes sustenance and existence. It's here now, closer than thought. It is the silent, boundless, unifying purity that unites us one and all. It is what we truly and naturally are, and so can be consciously realized if there is a sincere willingness to look and investigate, and an openness to letting go of everything the mind defines "self" as being.
j