i live close to a resonanbly busy street, 20 odd shops banks, a train station,a couple of cafes and coffee shops etc and usually see dubs doing street work close to the station and i'm now on nodding terms with an elder who is out most days of the week and have got close to recognizing most of the hard core of about a dozen of them , i was walking out of the cafe yesterday to be greeted by a couple of newbies i'd never seen before , a scruffy short dumpy man and a fairly well presented middle aged lady, i'll try and abridge the conversation as best as i can, we must have chatted for about 15 minutes and it was all in a good mannered style;.
me " have you sold many of those this morning ?".
jw guy " oh no we dont sell them we give them away for free" (like i didn't know that).
Are we discussing regestration as an NGO to access library facilities or speculations about 1975 Jookbeard ?
As regards 1975, I was there (as a kid) and I well remember many talks that stated quite clearly not to pin hopes on any particular date,
and it was always stated time and time again that NO one, except God knew the time and date of the end......
i live close to a resonanbly busy street, 20 odd shops banks, a train station,a couple of cafes and coffee shops etc and usually see dubs doing street work close to the station and i'm now on nodding terms with an elder who is out most days of the week and have got close to recognizing most of the hard core of about a dozen of them , i was walking out of the cafe yesterday to be greeted by a couple of newbies i'd never seen before , a scruffy short dumpy man and a fairly well presented middle aged lady, i'll try and abridge the conversation as best as i can, we must have chatted for about 15 minutes and it was all in a good mannered style;.
me " have you sold many of those this morning ?".
jw guy " oh no we dont sell them we give them away for free" (like i didn't know that).
Which particular "blatant lie" are you referring to jookbeard? As far as I'm aware they've never denided being an NGO, they've never
given their support to the UN or changed their quite public condemnation of the UN either for that matter, so how exactly is that hypocracy or telling porky pies?
i live close to a resonanbly busy street, 20 odd shops banks, a train station,a couple of cafes and coffee shops etc and usually see dubs doing street work close to the station and i'm now on nodding terms with an elder who is out most days of the week and have got close to recognizing most of the hard core of about a dozen of them , i was walking out of the cafe yesterday to be greeted by a couple of newbies i'd never seen before , a scruffy short dumpy man and a fairly well presented middle aged lady, i'll try and abridge the conversation as best as i can, we must have chatted for about 15 minutes and it was all in a good mannered style;.
me " have you sold many of those this morning ?".
jw guy " oh no we dont sell them we give them away for free" (like i didn't know that).
Hardly an exposure of membership Jookbeard, but their attention was drawn to the fact that criteria for membership had changed.
i live close to a resonanbly busy street, 20 odd shops banks, a train station,a couple of cafes and coffee shops etc and usually see dubs doing street work close to the station and i'm now on nodding terms with an elder who is out most days of the week and have got close to recognizing most of the hard core of about a dozen of them , i was walking out of the cafe yesterday to be greeted by a couple of newbies i'd never seen before , a scruffy short dumpy man and a fairly well presented middle aged lady, i'll try and abridge the conversation as best as i can, we must have chatted for about 15 minutes and it was all in a good mannered style;.
me " have you sold many of those this morning ?".
jw guy " oh no we dont sell them we give them away for free" (like i didn't know that).
How is it serving the UN to tell the world of the UN's aims and objectives..........and to state catagorically that the UN would not only
be incapable of reaching those aims and objectives, but that they are diametrically opposed to God and would be destroyed at Armageddon?
Doesn't strike me as anything like "serving the UN" actually.
i live close to a resonanbly busy street, 20 odd shops banks, a train station,a couple of cafes and coffee shops etc and usually see dubs doing street work close to the station and i'm now on nodding terms with an elder who is out most days of the week and have got close to recognizing most of the hard core of about a dozen of them , i was walking out of the cafe yesterday to be greeted by a couple of newbies i'd never seen before , a scruffy short dumpy man and a fairly well presented middle aged lady, i'll try and abridge the conversation as best as i can, we must have chatted for about 15 minutes and it was all in a good mannered style;.
me " have you sold many of those this morning ?".
jw guy " oh no we dont sell them we give them away for free" (like i didn't know that).
"In October 2001 The Guardian newspaper in the United Kingdom accused Jehovah's Witnesses of hypocrisy for being registered with the United Nations’ (UN) Department of Public Information (DPI) as a Non-Governmental Organization (NGO). The newspaper claimed that all NGOs must support the United Nations, therefore Jehovah's Witnesses were guilty of hypocrisy because of teaching the United Nations is the prophesied “disgusting thing” of Revelation.
The Watchtower Society, the legal corporation used by Jehovah's Witnesses, immediately withdrew the DPI NGO membership. They explained that the requirements for being a DPI NGO had changed since they first signed up in 1992, and they then thanked The Guardian for bringing the matter to their attention........."
http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/scans/chairmanscommittee.html
i live close to a resonanbly busy street, 20 odd shops banks, a train station,a couple of cafes and coffee shops etc and usually see dubs doing street work close to the station and i'm now on nodding terms with an elder who is out most days of the week and have got close to recognizing most of the hard core of about a dozen of them , i was walking out of the cafe yesterday to be greeted by a couple of newbies i'd never seen before , a scruffy short dumpy man and a fairly well presented middle aged lady, i'll try and abridge the conversation as best as i can, we must have chatted for about 15 minutes and it was all in a good mannered style;.
me " have you sold many of those this morning ?".
jw guy " oh no we dont sell them we give them away for free" (like i didn't know that).
...............and as far as I can gather, they terminated the "library card" when they were made aware that the criteria had changed.
That actually seems fair enough to me.
i live close to a resonanbly busy street, 20 odd shops banks, a train station,a couple of cafes and coffee shops etc and usually see dubs doing street work close to the station and i'm now on nodding terms with an elder who is out most days of the week and have got close to recognizing most of the hard core of about a dozen of them , i was walking out of the cafe yesterday to be greeted by a couple of newbies i'd never seen before , a scruffy short dumpy man and a fairly well presented middle aged lady, i'll try and abridge the conversation as best as i can, we must have chatted for about 15 minutes and it was all in a good mannered style;.
me " have you sold many of those this morning ?".
jw guy " oh no we dont sell them we give them away for free" (like i didn't know that).
Jookbeard................. splitting hairs about what constitutes being an acceptable NGO within the UN........ in fairness to them I don't see it as splitting hairs, I think there's a pretty big distinction between supporting the aims of a particular organisation, I.E. the UN, and agreeing to publicise their stated aims. After all, they had been writing about the UN's stated aims and objectives......for decades, only adding that it would take Gods theocratic government, rather than mankinds, to actually achieve those aims and objectives......
i live close to a resonanbly busy street, 20 odd shops banks, a train station,a couple of cafes and coffee shops etc and usually see dubs doing street work close to the station and i'm now on nodding terms with an elder who is out most days of the week and have got close to recognizing most of the hard core of about a dozen of them , i was walking out of the cafe yesterday to be greeted by a couple of newbies i'd never seen before , a scruffy short dumpy man and a fairly well presented middle aged lady, i'll try and abridge the conversation as best as i can, we must have chatted for about 15 minutes and it was all in a good mannered style;.
me " have you sold many of those this morning ?".
jw guy " oh no we dont sell them we give them away for free" (like i didn't know that).
Well Phizzy I'd have to disagree............to a degree. After all, when they joined there was a great distinction between the two types of NGOs.
I've noticed since lurking on here that there seems to be a distinct preference to not only play down the important distinction, but to totally disregard it AND to not make adequate reference to it either. Surely in the pursuit of honest argumentation ALL teh facts should be made known and discussed.
The one had a requirement to support the charter of the UN, the other, as you say, to "educate the world about the aims and purposes of the UN.....
......which as far as I can tell, they did, whilst at the same time also stating that, inspite of it's stated aims and "purpose", the UN and earthly governments, indeed mankind in general, would never be able to solve the problems facing the Earth and Mankind without God. They've always written about the UN's stated purpose, even before becoming a registered Non governmental organisation, and at the same time always explained their viewpoint, I.E, that the UN is the Wild beast mentioned in the book of Revalation. Seems a little unfair to compare it to joining the NADSP...........to get a library card...........especially since they didn't join the UN in any real sense at all.
Just my tuppence worth on the subject.
i live close to a resonanbly busy street, 20 odd shops banks, a train station,a couple of cafes and coffee shops etc and usually see dubs doing street work close to the station and i'm now on nodding terms with an elder who is out most days of the week and have got close to recognizing most of the hard core of about a dozen of them , i was walking out of the cafe yesterday to be greeted by a couple of newbies i'd never seen before , a scruffy short dumpy man and a fairly well presented middle aged lady, i'll try and abridge the conversation as best as i can, we must have chatted for about 15 minutes and it was all in a good mannered style;.
me " have you sold many of those this morning ?".
jw guy " oh no we dont sell them we give them away for free" (like i didn't know that).
I found this rather interesting concerning the N.G.O status....................
from the sept. 15, 1981 watchtower, p. 23, par.
a person might renounce his place in the christian congregation by his actions, such as by becoming part of an organization whose objective is contrary to the bible, and, hence, is under judgment by jehovah god.
so if one who was a christian chose to join those who are disapproved of god, it would be fitting for the congregation to acknowledge by a brief announcement that he had disassociated himself and is no longer one of jehovahs witnesses.. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------.
Hi, I'm just starting to "fade", for various reasons, not least of which due in part to the U.N. thing and the comparison with say someone joining the Y.M.C.A for even just using the gym. I came across this site though while looking into it, http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/
The reasons, and rationale seem pretty legit to me..........any thoughts on the matter, after reading it?
Thoughts on the difference between a DPA N.G.O and an ECO/SOC N.G.A for example?
Cheers in advance.