Well I’m not going to dance to your artificial conditions here on my own thread am I! You’re welcome to come to your own conclusions without any or much input from me. If you don’t understand that is not my fault.
Seraphim23
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Musings about different types of atheist!
by Seraphim23 ina thought that occurs to me is that if one has the belief that all that is real is only explicable in terms of particles and forces, and that nothing exists that is not one of these, then good and bad doesnt exist either, the same would be true for any concept for that matter.
or perhaps it is only true when reduced to the level of matter and forces, but without the moral force, meaning and purpose that such a materialist only description would entail.
after all, if death is forever, which is materialist view, then what does it matter if a seventy or seven year old enters the grave?
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Are religionists and atheists on the same team?
by Fernando indo they both lead people away from god?.
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Seraphim23
The type that thinks science can in theory answer every conceivable question, with the ones it cannot being labelled invalid questions, with no room for even the possibility of a third option.
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Musings about different types of atheist!
by Seraphim23 ina thought that occurs to me is that if one has the belief that all that is real is only explicable in terms of particles and forces, and that nothing exists that is not one of these, then good and bad doesnt exist either, the same would be true for any concept for that matter.
or perhaps it is only true when reduced to the level of matter and forces, but without the moral force, meaning and purpose that such a materialist only description would entail.
after all, if death is forever, which is materialist view, then what does it matter if a seventy or seven year old enters the grave?
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Seraphim23
I never said you were blind literally, just that you don’t get what I am saying and it seems I can’t get you to see it the way I do. I’m not blaming you but that is just the way it is.
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Musings about different types of atheist!
by Seraphim23 ina thought that occurs to me is that if one has the belief that all that is real is only explicable in terms of particles and forces, and that nothing exists that is not one of these, then good and bad doesnt exist either, the same would be true for any concept for that matter.
or perhaps it is only true when reduced to the level of matter and forces, but without the moral force, meaning and purpose that such a materialist only description would entail.
after all, if death is forever, which is materialist view, then what does it matter if a seventy or seven year old enters the grave?
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Seraphim23
It’s hard to explain a colour to someone who cannot see.
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Are religionists and atheists on the same team?
by Fernando indo they both lead people away from god?.
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I agree with you Phizzy. I think in general terms hard-line atheists and religious fundamentalists are opposites of each other in many ways, with more open minded people whose brains have not fallen out in the middle ground.
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Musings about different types of atheist!
by Seraphim23 ina thought that occurs to me is that if one has the belief that all that is real is only explicable in terms of particles and forces, and that nothing exists that is not one of these, then good and bad doesnt exist either, the same would be true for any concept for that matter.
or perhaps it is only true when reduced to the level of matter and forces, but without the moral force, meaning and purpose that such a materialist only description would entail.
after all, if death is forever, which is materialist view, then what does it matter if a seventy or seven year old enters the grave?
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Seraphim23
It’s a little bit like asking me what the nature of life on another planet is when it hasn’t been discovered yet! In general terms I can give an answer but not a detailed one. You know what the word framework means and you can read the arguments I wrote for the need for one.
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Musings about different types of atheist!
by Seraphim23 ina thought that occurs to me is that if one has the belief that all that is real is only explicable in terms of particles and forces, and that nothing exists that is not one of these, then good and bad doesnt exist either, the same would be true for any concept for that matter.
or perhaps it is only true when reduced to the level of matter and forces, but without the moral force, meaning and purpose that such a materialist only description would entail.
after all, if death is forever, which is materialist view, then what does it matter if a seventy or seven year old enters the grave?
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Seraphim23
It was a typo on my part. I meant metaphysical. As regards a framework for existence I mean in the first instance a framework around the universe itself.
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Musings about different types of atheist!
by Seraphim23 ina thought that occurs to me is that if one has the belief that all that is real is only explicable in terms of particles and forces, and that nothing exists that is not one of these, then good and bad doesnt exist either, the same would be true for any concept for that matter.
or perhaps it is only true when reduced to the level of matter and forces, but without the moral force, meaning and purpose that such a materialist only description would entail.
after all, if death is forever, which is materialist view, then what does it matter if a seventy or seven year old enters the grave?
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Seraphim23
No I am not using them as like words. I’m talking about a need for a framework for existence that includes more than this universe, some of which may or may not be testable but logically derived as with the existence of infinity for example.
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Musings about different types of atheist!
by Seraphim23 ina thought that occurs to me is that if one has the belief that all that is real is only explicable in terms of particles and forces, and that nothing exists that is not one of these, then good and bad doesnt exist either, the same would be true for any concept for that matter.
or perhaps it is only true when reduced to the level of matter and forces, but without the moral force, meaning and purpose that such a materialist only description would entail.
after all, if death is forever, which is materialist view, then what does it matter if a seventy or seven year old enters the grave?
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Seraphim23
Well adamah I wouldn’t call myself an atheist but you can if you like. As for your other points they kind of take the subject well away from the topic. For a start I don’t think Satan is a real entity but that is another topic entirely. I’m still waiting for my other points to actually be challenged.
Remember I am only really talking about the need for a metaphysical framework and the atheist subset that doesn’t countenance any metaphorical claims as legitimate. I’m not arguing for the existence for God in this thread.
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Musings about different types of atheist!
by Seraphim23 ina thought that occurs to me is that if one has the belief that all that is real is only explicable in terms of particles and forces, and that nothing exists that is not one of these, then good and bad doesnt exist either, the same would be true for any concept for that matter.
or perhaps it is only true when reduced to the level of matter and forces, but without the moral force, meaning and purpose that such a materialist only description would entail.
after all, if death is forever, which is materialist view, then what does it matter if a seventy or seven year old enters the grave?
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Seraphim23
If energy is in a vacuum where these particles materialise from and then disappear again, then it is not nothing, as energy is something, either before the particle appears or when it is there and again after it goes back to energy.