Seraphim23

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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  Seraphim23

  In that case no, defender of truth.
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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  Seraphim23

  That’s not quite the way I would put it but almost yes, kind of.
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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  Seraphim23

  Yes perhaps I could have phrased it better defender of truth.
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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  Seraphim23

  Any use of energy is going to increase chaos.
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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  Seraphim23

  It’s not an accusation cofty it is an impression, just like your one about my attitude to human suffering. Let’s separate my own personal attitude towards humans beings who suffer and the intellectual conversation about the general topic of suffering. After all, you do not know what I do or do not do to help others in need. The watchtower often liked to use pictures of dead children, or cute little children to sway the readers’ opinion, as opposed to a real gritty read based on facts and reason. Not a tactic I approve of!

  Defender of truth I wasn’t derailing the conversation with that question but alas we shall never know what my point would have been if I had been given an answer and for you to be able to judge how relevant it would have been. Rest assured it would have been!

  Not everything can be explained clearly or simply. The absence of simplicity does not equate to invalidity. Your premise is false in this regard. However I do admit that God can intervene in disasters without affecting free will and he does in my view, just not all disasters all of the time, as that would create issue for free will.

  Caedes thank you for your warning. It seems to me like you are closed minded to anything I have to say. However I will say that I don’t think neutral choices exist. Processes and choices in the universe either increase entropy or decrease it in local areas, as opposed to the universe as a whole, which is increasing in entropy overall.

  When someone eats a lot of calories, their life span decreases! A small choice has a knock on effect which some would call “bad”. Whatever chemical processes are involved to explain this relationship between energy consumption and life span, it is untimely the expression of energy using chemical pathways in physics to try to become more chaotic. That’s the direction the whole universe is going in after all, and it is what causes what we as humans call the `arrow of time`. Decay of the body at death is another pathway of this kind. It’s all about energy coming together in ordered states and the reverse of that. What humans call good and bad has a correlation with this universal tug of war. The sun keeps things running on the earth but it will cool eventually and with it all life, including good and bad for earth. One cannot have good and bad if there is no life. So here is an obvious link between free will, good and bad and entropy.
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  754

  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  Seraphim23

  I get the impression that you quite like suffering cofty as you seem to have an interest in hyping it up in order to win an agument. Do you have kids?
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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  Seraphim23

  What is a natural disaster in terms of the universes perspective cofty?
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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  Seraphim23

  defender of truth, it is often reported by people, that when attacked in a fight and a terrible injury is inflicted, the pain is often not felt until after the fight is over. In the case of the sharks fighting in a womb, they may well be dead before the pain was to kick in. I’m not making the case that animals don’t feel pain as we do, as that is obviously rubbish.

  Survival of the fittest also involves switching pain off during a fight for survival, as the pain would stop an affective defence.
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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  Seraphim23

  I haven’t really Caedes, as it is eminently logical to see that choices can only be good or bad and the universe has to have both to make such choice a reality. The mechanism, if you want to call it that, is thermodynamics.
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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  2. 
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  Seraphim23

  You mean you can’t remember and yet you mention him!