I haven’t seen it, yet! I agree with SAHS and the other posters. Being a gay Christian I don’t feel you’re overreacting. However unfriending your friend? I would try to make sure you were not acting out of anger. Perhaps after calming down you might still feel the need to do it if it was the only way improve a situation as best you could. Sometimes it takes time with people to get the message. Things are getting better but it takes time. Even I have inner prejudices that I struggle to recognise and crush and if I have that being a gay Christian, then others surly do also. Saying that though you sound like a decent human being and well done for being the change you wish to see in society.
Seraphim23
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Question for some of the other gay posters
by littlerockguy inhave you guys seen the meme on facebook going around about "tim tebow vs jason collins" comparing tebow "bashed for professing christ" and collins "praised for homosexuality" and then at the bottom the scripture isaiah 50:20: woe to those who call evil good and good evil?
i have had a couple friends of mine post that on their wall and it showed up on my wall.
i don't care what they believe however it just bothers me that they didn't think that i would find it offensive.
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Good video cantleave and I agree with Mr Fry, partially. I think my point may have been missed somewhat in using swearing as an example, as people can’t get past the example. I do swear sometimes as I implied with an earlier post but it has to be a justified and appropriate use, and if in anger justified anger, and if justified then constructive.
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I guess that’s the kind of thing I mean ballistic. I don’t mean to suggest that atheists are less moral; I don’t believe that for a second. What I mean is kind of like what you said about swearing although swearing is just one aspect of a deeper malaise. It’s hard to articulate the thought but with me the reason I don’t swear as a general rule, and certainly not for the sake of it, or when trying to express a point or articulate an argument or viewpoint, is because it is like an admission of losing an argument or resorting to inner anger when that is less effective than intelligent and cogent use of the English language. It is kind of like asking myself why would I resort to trying to offend another? The answer is never going to be a nice one if the receiver of it is really thought of as having sincerity as a human being, despite having a view that one doesn’t agree with.
Also at the risk of sounding like something Jesus would say, it seems to be a case that treating friends and those who agree with us as equals with magnanimity and equity is easy to do. When it is so done to so called enemies and those with very different and opposing viewpoints it says something about character and the inner person. It is like the difference between one who does the right thing because it is so written, or against the law, but will at the first opportunity seek the preverbal loop hole and those who, because of integrity of heart, do the right thing regardless of law or written codes. This phenomenon, I guess one could call it a lack of internal integrity, cuts across the religious divide between atheists and theists. Theists may be more obviously subject to infractions of such intergrity because of the written codes and grandiose claims of moral integrity, defined of course by written codes from the bible and so on. However atheists seem to have this issue also but without the obviousness of it, because they don’t claim a religious code and so on. The charge of hypocrisy cannot be levelled against the atheists on such grounds but lack of internal integrity could well be a charge that could be made.
Of course when a religious person swears at us, or shows a non-generous spirit we get angrier because of the hypocritical aspect of it, as well as the offensiveness of it to us as sincere human beings, and we all like to think of ourselves as sincere. With the atheists though it calls to mind when they were religious and the questions surrounding what part of it did they ever take to heart? For instance the New Testament talks about words seasoned with salt and love thy enemies; good advice for anyone who want to be genuine and effective in the world, so why the rejection of that with some? Perhaps because the spirit of law as it were never took root, as is often also the case with Christians. So it is like two groups of people, those sincere of heart and those not, putting it in a simplistic way! These two groups cut across the divide between atheist and theist of the x JW grouping. It obviously goes beyond the x JW groupings as well, to all sorts of people but there is something about having been a JW once that one would have hoped said something about the person but even that is subject to all sorts of categorisations.
An example may the divide between born ins and converts perhaps, and anther is the so called search for truth and the supposed integrity that went along with that. In fact with me that emphasis the JWs put on truth and its search, did them a disservice in my case as that never stopped and helped lead me out of that religion, but with some it seems to have stopped after a certain point until truth itself becomes completely relative to itself and thus loses all meaning. I could go on but it just a thought or two.
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Good point.
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Seraphim23
I gues it depends on how you define it.
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Well perhaps the word shocked was wrong. Surprised may have been better or even disappointed.
Cofty your understanding of the Christian God is the fundamentalist one. There are those who are not that way.
Scotoma I appreciate your view but it’s not one I share. God might well have something to do with future scenarios I don’t know, but it seems clear human life on earth is not a long term strategy for God.
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Do I detect satire scotoma? The thing is atheism is a religion that refuses the name, so if the reverse of what you said were to happen, there would still be all the problems that religious religion currently causes. However the truth is that mankind will either go extinct or destroy itself, and neither atheism nor religion will stop that inevitable outcome. In fact the isms of both of them may well hasten it.
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OKC TORNADO - GLAD god IS WORKING OUT UNIVERSAL SOVEREIGNTY
by Comatose infor fu@$ sake.
6000 years of it and still figuring out this universal sovereignty.
gimme a break.
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I believe in God but it seems to me that deaths have to happen because without bad one cannot get good and without good one cannot get bad. Without war or something that would create opposition there can be no bravery or free will. Without destruction there can be no construction. Without both destruction and construction one cannot get natural cycles or even nature, or freedom to do anything. None of this answers the question of why any of it here anyway of course. God is a possible partial answer but with that comes the all-powerful argument for God. If he is all powerful why does he not stop such things? It depends on what version of all powerful one decides to go with. There are two and the first one is that God can do things logically impossible and the other is that God can only do what is logically possible. However as has been pointed out by Terry on a different thread, logics usefulness is limited to what is known. If a new fact is encountered then what is logical changes accordingly. One would have to know everything for logic to be truly useful in this context, but since knowledge might well be infinite, that is unlikely. However it doesn’t take away from the idea that God could be there and be limited by logical possibilities. So one could have a world where tragedies are averted or caused by a God, but not one where they are done away with completely, and thus it would maintain room for second order virtues like bravery, generosity and free will. Universal sovereignty doesn’t even have to come into the equation because if this view is correct, God is always in charge ultimately but with limitations that dont apply to us as lower order beings, but are unknown by us as well, by the same token.
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Neanderthals, Early Modern Humans, and a Creator
by Comatose inhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/neanderthal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/cro-magnon.
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102011413#h=8:0-9:682. were neanderthals like us?.
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What an excellent set of questions. For me this all showed that Genesis was either a parable or falsely represented by JWs and others as literal truth. It also showed that the universal sovereignty issue was also an error, as well as Satan being a literal being, and also original sin.
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Just curious if any x witnesses like me find some other x witnesses a bit shocking in their attitudes and ways. It could be anything. For example, turning to atheism or severely lacking the fruits of the spirit like love and kindness ect. The swearing that might be used by some even though there are excellent secular reasons why swearing is not a good idea for example, or a general lack of empathy for others, or even arrogance. Perhaps it is something more subtle like having a closed mind, or acting overly religious even though not being in one ect. Alternatively perhaps the opposite is apparent in that some become nicer people. In the last board I was kicked out of, it was made up mostly of x witnesses but they had become convinced they were not part of organised religion, but had literally all the trappings of organised religion including expulsion, even though it was not all organised religion as an entire entity that had hurt them, only JWs. Any thoughts?