Posts by Kallam

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My chat with 2 Dubs yesterday about UN membership

by jookbeard in

i live close to a resonanbly busy street, 20 odd shops banks, a train station,a couple of cafes and coffee shops etc and usually see dubs doing street work close to the station and i'm now on nodding terms with an elder who is out most days of the week and have got close to recognizing most of the hard core of about a dozen of them , i was walking out of the cafe yesterday to be greeted by a couple of newbies i'd never seen before , a scruffy short dumpy man and a fairly well presented middle aged lady, i'll try and abridge the conversation as best as i can, we must have chatted for about 15 minutes and it was all in a good mannered style;.

me " have you sold many of those this morning ?".

jw guy " oh no we dont sell them we give them away for free" (like i didn't know that).

Kallam

The entire argument rests on whether they dissasociated themselves because the change was so vastly significant to them that they could not remain a member any longer, or whether they dissasociated themselves because they never truly expected to be discovered, and picked that moment and reason to save face. It is inconceivable to me that an organization of this size and with such general competence in legal matters would be unaware that documents they had to sign each year had changed without it being pointed out to them by apostates.

If you choose to believe this and it sits well with you then hurry back to the hall. The fact that you have not yet done so, at least to me, indicates that you have not even convinced yourself of the argument you are putting forward.

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This is so difficult

by dissonance_resolved in

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so i woke up a few months ago and had no idea what to expect.

at first i was outraged that i had been lied to all these years and so sad that i lost so many years of my life to a cult.

in the past couple of weeks though, i've actually been having second thoughts.

Kallam

You are on this earth once for a very limited period of time. Do not waste a single second of it.

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My chat with 2 Dubs yesterday about UN membership

by jookbeard in

i live close to a resonanbly busy street, 20 odd shops banks, a train station,a couple of cafes and coffee shops etc and usually see dubs doing street work close to the station and i'm now on nodding terms with an elder who is out most days of the week and have got close to recognizing most of the hard core of about a dozen of them , i was walking out of the cafe yesterday to be greeted by a couple of newbies i'd never seen before , a scruffy short dumpy man and a fairly well presented middle aged lady, i'll try and abridge the conversation as best as i can, we must have chatted for about 15 minutes and it was all in a good mannered style;.

me " have you sold many of those this morning ?".

jw guy " oh no we dont sell them we give them away for free" (like i didn't know that).

Kallam

I'm not really interested about when the criteria became even more restrictive in the following years. For me, it is enough that the JW's agreed to go along with the ideals of an organization that they have placed at the forefront of the war against God. The explanation that there was some type of "error" by the person they spoke to at the U.N when they were told they needed to be an NGO to access certain infofrmation is laughable. You want me to believe that because the JW rep got a new person at the UN Service Desk, and got "bad info" that no one ever followed up? No one high up at the JW org said, "Hmm, they seem to be telling us that we need to be an NGO in this organization here that we've been calling evil for 100 years. Maybe we should do some digging. Nah, let's just join up!"

We know that the argument that this "isn't really a big deal" is a lie simply by the reaction of most JW's when they hear it. They refuse to believe it. When this all came out in the early days I told my mother that the JW's were an NGO and she laughed at me. Actually laughed. She would never believe it and even to this day refuses to believe that the JW's would have ANYTHING to do with the U.N. Arguments about what year the word "support" was added to the charter and a debate on what the word "ideal" means is only interesting to people like you and me.

To the average witness, this association is a betrayal of everything they have been told about the U.N.

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My chat with 2 Dubs yesterday about UN membership

by jookbeard in

i live close to a resonanbly busy street, 20 odd shops banks, a train station,a couple of cafes and coffee shops etc and usually see dubs doing street work close to the station and i'm now on nodding terms with an elder who is out most days of the week and have got close to recognizing most of the hard core of about a dozen of them , i was walking out of the cafe yesterday to be greeted by a couple of newbies i'd never seen before , a scruffy short dumpy man and a fairly well presented middle aged lady, i'll try and abridge the conversation as best as i can, we must have chatted for about 15 minutes and it was all in a good mannered style;.

me " have you sold many of those this morning ?".

jw guy " oh no we dont sell them we give them away for free" (like i didn't know that).

Kallam

Jlfn, everything that you are posting is a documented lie. Since you refuse to look at the link I will post it here where you cannot ignore as easily. Continue to believe the ridiculous explanations if you choose, however be aware that the truth is literally 2 or 3 clicks and 5 minutes of reading a way.

In a letter to the Branches, membership was explained away as the Watchtower's research department requiring access to United Nations library, claiming that in 1991 it became necessary to register as an NGO to have continued access. It also claimed it left on learning the "criteria for association as an NGO's" had changed. A similar letter was sent to the Guardian.

The letter to the Guardian and to the Branches is quite untruthful. There was no change requiring NGO's to become associated in order to gain a library card. There are over 400 UN libraries worldwide that can be accessed by anyone. Since 1946, these libraries have had the same access rules, with no change in access requirements in 1991.

"Since 1946, the Dag Hammarskjold Library of the United Nations Secretariat in New York has arranged for the distribution of United Nations documents and publications to users around the world through its depository library system. At present, there are more than 400 depository libraries in over 140 countries maintaining United Nations material from the date of designation as depository to the present. The general public can consult the material free of charge at any depository library." www.un.org/Depts/dhl/deplib/deplibsystem.htm

Witnesses writing to the United Nations for clarification regarding library access have received replies such as the following letter. This letter explains that NGO status is not required in order to access the library.

More importantly, there have been no changes to the requirement for NGO's being required to agree to "support" the ideals of the United Nations. This is stated in the following letter to an enquirer in 2002 and also a press release from 1992.

Even if it were true that access to the UN library required becoming an affiliated NGO, the Society has made quite clear to its followers that membership with a political organization is never justifiable and certainly access to a library is the poorest of excuses.

The Watchtower justification fails at many levels.

Library access is not an acceptable reason for breaking its own rules
There was no requirement to join the UN in order to access the library
There was no change to the application process specifically in 1991
The Watchtower was required to lodge annual applications between 1992 and 2001
The UN affiliation was only revoked due to media publicity. If a Witness confesses only after their sin is public knowledge there is high probability elders will not see their confession as a sign of repentance
If a Witness can be disassociated for membership with political organizations, the same standard should apply to the Watchtower Society

Between 1990 and 2010, there has been a significant reduction in references to the United Nations in the Watchtower magazine.

Even more noticeable is the reduction in the number of times the United Nations is referred along with the term "wild beast" in the Watchtower.

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My chat with 2 Dubs yesterday about UN membership

by jookbeard in

i live close to a resonanbly busy street, 20 odd shops banks, a train station,a couple of cafes and coffee shops etc and usually see dubs doing street work close to the station and i'm now on nodding terms with an elder who is out most days of the week and have got close to recognizing most of the hard core of about a dozen of them , i was walking out of the cafe yesterday to be greeted by a couple of newbies i'd never seen before , a scruffy short dumpy man and a fairly well presented middle aged lady, i'll try and abridge the conversation as best as i can, we must have chatted for about 15 minutes and it was all in a good mannered style;.

me " have you sold many of those this morning ?".

jw guy " oh no we dont sell them we give them away for free" (like i didn't know that).

Kallam

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The first of many 2013 District Conventions is over . . .

by bats in the belfry in

was it worth attending?.

is your survival more sure now?.

which part of gods word is truth!

Kallam

I'll never forget the last assembly that i went to. I had already decided that I would no longer be attending any meetings so I treated it like a farewell tour. I spent the last day at the restaurant overlooking the Skydome field, drinking beer and eating wings. Good times.

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My chat with 2 Dubs yesterday about UN membership

by jookbeard in

i live close to a resonanbly busy street, 20 odd shops banks, a train station,a couple of cafes and coffee shops etc and usually see dubs doing street work close to the station and i'm now on nodding terms with an elder who is out most days of the week and have got close to recognizing most of the hard core of about a dozen of them , i was walking out of the cafe yesterday to be greeted by a couple of newbies i'd never seen before , a scruffy short dumpy man and a fairly well presented middle aged lady, i'll try and abridge the conversation as best as i can, we must have chatted for about 15 minutes and it was all in a good mannered style;.

me " have you sold many of those this morning ?".

jw guy " oh no we dont sell them we give them away for free" (like i didn't know that).

Kallam

I agree that the charter of the UN should not be anything that most people would object to. How then do you reconcile what the JW Org has said about the UN, their membership as an NGO, and now your nonsensical dissembling? I'll give you just one quote and then I'll move on as I don't believe you are anything more than a bored JW apologist. If you feel that being associated with an organization that will soon battle your God is ok then.. well.. what can I say?

If you read the link i posted, (which I'm well aware you will not) You will see that the JW Org must agree to support the UN. The evidence is there that the organization that you support are foolish liars however keep on with your delusions if you must.

Watchtower 1991 June 1 p.19 Their Refuge—A Lie!

Christendom rested her hopes in the League of Nations, but it was overturned even without the coming of Armageddon. Now she has transferred her allegiance to the United Nations. But it will soon have to face "the war of the great day of God the Almighty," and it will not survive. (Revelation 16:14) Even a revived UN can never bring peace and security. God's prophetic Word shows that the United Nations organization with its member nations "will battle with the Lamb [Christ in Kingdom power], but, because he is Lord of lords and King of kings, the Lamb will conquer them."—Revelation 17:14.

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Claim That "Cold Fusion" Verified

by metatron in

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http://arxiv.org/abs/1305.3913.

step by step.

inch by inch.

Kallam

Love that song. Thanks for posting

Step by Step
Oh baby
Gonna get to you girl

Step by step

Step by step ooh baby
Gonna get to you girl
Step by step ooh baby
Really want you in my world

Step
Hey girl, in your eyes
I see a picture of me all the time
Step
And girl, in your smile
You got to know that you drive me wild
Step by step
Ooh baby, you're always on my mind
Step by step
Ooh girl, I really think it's just a matter of time

Step by step ooh baby
Gonna get to you girl
Step by step ooh baby
Really want you in my world

Step,
Hey girl, can't you see
I've got to have you all just for me
Step
And girl, yes it's true,
No one else will ever do
Step by step
Ooh baby, you're always on my mind
Step by step
Ooh girl, I really think it's just a matter of time

Step by step ooh baby
Gonna get to you girl
Step by step ooh baby
Really want you in my world

Step, step, step
Step by step

(Danny) Step one, we can have lots of fun
(Donnie) Step two, there's so much we can do
(Jordan) Step three, it's just you for me
(Joe) Step four, I can give you more
(Jon) Step five, don't you know that the time has arrived

Step by step...
Don't you know I need you
Step by step...
Yes, I do girl
Step by step
Ooh baby, you're always in my mind
Step by step
Ooh girl, I really think it's just a matter of time

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My chat with 2 Dubs yesterday about UN membership

by jookbeard in

i live close to a resonanbly busy street, 20 odd shops banks, a train station,a couple of cafes and coffee shops etc and usually see dubs doing street work close to the station and i'm now on nodding terms with an elder who is out most days of the week and have got close to recognizing most of the hard core of about a dozen of them , i was walking out of the cafe yesterday to be greeted by a couple of newbies i'd never seen before , a scruffy short dumpy man and a fairly well presented middle aged lady, i'll try and abridge the conversation as best as i can, we must have chatted for about 15 minutes and it was all in a good mannered style;.

me " have you sold many of those this morning ?".

jw guy " oh no we dont sell them we give them away for free" (like i didn't know that).

Kallam

Moral of the story is, if the JW org wants to join the UN to use the library this is acceptable. If a 15 year old wants to join the YMCA to learn how to swim and perhaps take a pottery class? Apostacy. Is it any wonder they can't keep anyone over the age of 16 in their dying cult?

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My chat with 2 Dubs yesterday about UN membership

by jookbeard in

i live close to a resonanbly busy street, 20 odd shops banks, a train station,a couple of cafes and coffee shops etc and usually see dubs doing street work close to the station and i'm now on nodding terms with an elder who is out most days of the week and have got close to recognizing most of the hard core of about a dozen of them , i was walking out of the cafe yesterday to be greeted by a couple of newbies i'd never seen before , a scruffy short dumpy man and a fairly well presented middle aged lady, i'll try and abridge the conversation as best as i can, we must have chatted for about 15 minutes and it was all in a good mannered style;.

me " have you sold many of those this morning ?".

jw guy " oh no we dont sell them we give them away for free" (like i didn't know that).

Kallam

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/united-nations-association.php

Read the full history. If you even care. A few telling quotes.

As the above letter outlines, the Watchtower was an associated NGO and to become associated required the Watchtower to accept the following:

that the NGO share the ideals of the UN Charter;
have a demonstrated interest in United Nations issues and a proven ability to reach target or specialized audiences, such as educators, media representatives, policy makers and the business community;
have the commitment and means to conduct effective information programs about UN activities by publishing newsletters, bulletins and pamphlets, organizing conferences, seminars and round tables; and enlisting cooperation of the media.

Is it true that for religious reasons Jehovah's Witnesses may not become members of the YMCA (Young Mens Christian Association)?

Yes, that is so. We have long recognized that the YMCA, though not being a church as such, is definitely aligned with the religious organizations of Christendom in efforts to promote interfaith.
…
In joining the YMCA as a member a person accepts or endorses the general objectives and principles of the organization. … Membership means that one has become an integral part of this organization founded with definite religious objectives, including the promotion of interfaith. Hence, for one of Jehovah's Witnesses to become a member of such a so-called Christian association would amount to apostasy." Watchtower 1979 Jan 1 pp.30-31 Questions from Readers