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Ray Franz.....LIAR?

by integ in

one of my witness family members agreed to take a look at crisis of conscience, and after.

perusing the first couple of chapters, said that she thought it could be all made up.

agreed that the documents presented could be legitimate, but as far as franz's personal.

Ray Franz.....LIAR?

by integ in

one of my witness family members agreed to take a look at crisis of conscience, and after.

perusing the first couple of chapters, said that she thought it could be all made up.

agreed that the documents presented could be legitimate, but as far as franz's personal.

John 1:1 - A "Sacred Secret" Revealed

by AGuest in

may you all have peace!.

i had opportunity yesterday, to peruse the thread entitled, "john 1:1 - good information" and there were some very... ummmm... "intriguing" responses.

some were very close to what is true; others, pure speculation.

mind

John 1:3 (All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.)

John 1:1, to illustrate this. Let's use Pres. Bush and his spokeperson. Do the spokeperson speaks his own personal words or do he speaks the words of the President? Well, when the spokeperson speaks the news media says: "This is what the President has said." So, in other words the Bush Admin. is view as President Bush himself. So, the spokeperson is Bush's word.

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MAJOR UN/WTS NEWS- UN LETTER & 1992 Press R...

by hawkaw in

as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.

and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .

after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk

mind

MAN,

did somebody go dig Korah up and clone him or something? I understand what Moses went through now.

Who made you judge and jury? Jealousy ( the feeling of envy), pride, ARROGANCE. (haughty)

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MAJOR UN/WTS NEWS- UN LETTER & 1992 Press R...

by hawkaw in

as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.

and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .

after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk

mind

waiting

And an observation on the above facts about the WT's secret involvement with the UN is that a local elder and another 50 decade member of the JW's said about this involvement:

"Well, there must be a good explanation. I'll wait on Jehovah."

They should say: "Read the bible." Luke 16:1-13. (Practial Wisdom)

The United States, is part of the UN. Just because the US, is a part of the UN.. are you saying:" we should not live in the United States?"

You should not accept tax breaks? How about government programs? How about using the court system?

If, the goverment tell me to help manage a senior citizen program, which is voluntary.... to help love my neighbor. I should say: "NO". Where is the practial wisdom in that.

How about, I see a car accident involving UN personnel... because they are part of the UN, then should I turn my back. Where is the practial wisdom in that?

What if the UN, supplied me with a ship that I can used to brings supplies to ppl that are hungry and in need of medical care. Should I say:" No, and let ppl go hungry and die." Where is the practial wisdom in that?

Did not GOD AlMIGHTY use Cyrus to deliver his ppl from Babylon? GOD showed that he could use whoever he wanted to bring about his will to teach us, to humble us. And here, Cyrus wasn't even a servant, a worshipper of GOD... we have to stop looking at IMPERFECT FLESH and start looking beyond this earthly realm.

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MAJOR UN/WTS NEWS- UN LETTER & 1992 Press R...

by hawkaw in

as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.

and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .

after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk

mind

Sadomasochistic

Just like I wrote before, when you throw your words in the wind they are carry away. There is no weight to hold them down.

So, do the next best thing, when you are fighting the truth... call them names...

You have to understand... I don't look at you or the GB through human eyes both are IMPERFECT. I do notice the ones that are at least trying.

GIVE LOVE and FORGIVINESS a chance. You can do it. Come on now. Your almost there. Don't feel bad. We all make mistakes. How do you feel now.

We are all flaw individuals and that's the TRUTH.

Edited by - mind on 24 January 2003 12:5:2

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mind- teasers, truthbeaters... dazed

by mind in

are you truly searching for answers... or are you like a spoil child lashing back with lies and truths.

i don't want to talk about the wts,or the governing body.

they are flaw and imperfect humans, just like you and me.

mind

Sheila,

your words are INCOHERENT

Incoherent, so you saying I am lacking in my thoughts. I don't want you to see my point of view. I want you to use your own power of understanding, to see the TRUTH for yourself.

With President Bush, he feels he need to go to war and he also have supporters. On the other hand, you have others leaders of countries and some citizens in the US feels that there no need for war. Which side is right? Both sides feel that they have and know the truth.

But for a person that is really seeking the truth he is looking closely at both sides. Putting his own feelings and emotions to the side and having LOVE for all, will see the TRUTH and realize that man can not rule themselves. But it is up to you to seek the truth.

Just like Bush, he can't understand what the other side is saying, they are incoherent to him and the same goes for the other side. But if, they had love for the Creator they would seek to understand each other. So ask yourself, what are you searching for, why is the truth so incoherent to you?

It's going to be a BEAUTIFUL MORNING.... SMILE

Oh yeah, I put "39?" to see if you would look at it in a postive or negative way.

Admit the truth, realize the truth, and if you don't want it reject the truth. But you can always say:" I know the truth, I just don't want of it."

This is so hard, for us to do.

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MAJOR UN/WTS NEWS- UN LETTER & 1992 Press R...

by hawkaw in

as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.

and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .

after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk

mind

Can you respond with FACTS and FIGURES (and past Watchtower literature!) like the posters on this thread did?

The fact is the bible. The fact is the bible is interpret by imperfect men. The fact is if you go into the past Watchtower lit. you going to see alot of ppl eating mud. The fact is if you go by the Watchtower comment today and look at it tommrow, it change.

The KEY WORD is change. Yes, it may come slow, it may come hard to some, and some just can't handle the change but the scriptures are being fulfill. Daniel 11:35

And the bible is the only fact, I need. Not the Watchtower, or Awake because a change can come..... it can be gone.

GOD allows for certain things to take place, right or wrong. Who am I to judge his wisdom? 2 Chronicles 18: 19-22 ,Proverbs 14:12, Proverbs 2:6-14

The fact is they still have a long way to go. If they reach it, in this system of things they will be PERFECT, then the bible would be wrong. There would not have been a reason for Jesus to come.

Edited by - mind on 24 January 2003 9:3:27

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mind- teasers, truthbeaters... dazed

by mind in

are you truly searching for answers... or are you like a spoil child lashing back with lies and truths.

i don't want to talk about the wts,or the governing body.

they are flaw and imperfect humans, just like you and me.

mind

You're lack of knowing the facts before you are hurling your accusations in our direction are insulting, and even a bit hurtful.

I don't tried to be hurtful, I could comfort ppl with lies. Alot of ppl, don't understand me. I rather see you hurt with words, maybe then you will keep searching and find the truth, then when we think it will never happen or it just a myth GOD day will be upon us.

Not that you will lose out on , living forever on a Pardise earth. That's not important to me, what is important to me is you will lose out on being able to serve GOD forever.

Edited by - mind on 24 January 2003 8:35:56

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mind- teasers, truthbeaters... dazed

by mind in

are you truly searching for answers... or are you like a spoil child lashing back with lies and truths.

i don't want to talk about the wts,or the governing body.

they are flaw and imperfect humans, just like you and me.

mind

Vivamus: Unfortunatly, sometimes to people who did not deserve it. You want to talk about love for people? I can show you some post here about people who have loved, and still do love, others with all their hearts.

If you are showing love to please ppl or yourself, then you will be hurt everytime. That's why we have to lift our eyes beyond this earthly realm and take to heart what Jesus taught us. Love one another, forgive one another, and turn the other cheek. (John 21:22) Please the one that created us.

Yes, there are some incidents that should have been handled differently,and alot that are straight wrong. We are not asked to judge, but to forgive one another. When I was disfellowship I had alot of elders on my side that say what happen to me wasn't right but that remain the same.. I was still disfellowship.

A person can accuse you wrongly and the situation wasn't handle properly. Could you be the bigger person to be in the wrong, even though you are right. Not first for the love of humans, but GOD and then the earthly one.

It's hard but who are you trying to please. The one above will give you strength if you have faith.

Yes, others have post alot to this site. Some are true, some are lies. Some are twisted in between. Satan has some in his hand. But, Satan is working harder on the ones he don't have. When a loin roar... he do it not in the air... but towards the ground to cause confusion.

The true lesson of love, someday I hope I learn it ,because love is deeper than anyone thinks... he knows.

What wrong with disfellowshipping? Nothing, but how it comes about and how it is carried out is wrong and I think it will soon be change. Like I said, we are not here to judge but to forgive, when one repent.

If you love, you can forgive.