Posts by Uzzah

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MA paper's lame JW interview

by willyloman in

this appeared in a massachusetts newspaper:.

jehovah's witnesses - who are they?

by joel beck with information from www.jw-media.org .

What happens when Bethelites are too old, infirm, or disturbed to work?

by True North in

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in barbara grizzuti harrison's book visions of glory: a history and a memory of jehovah?s witnesses (which is online at http://www.exjws.net/vg.htm -- i highly recommend it) there's an account of heartlessness at bethel that i found particularly troubling.

it's in "chapter iv.

accumulating wealth while the world refuses to die" (http://www.exjws.net/vg4.htm) and is as follows:.

Uzzah

I have been tempted at times to write some of my former friends at Bethel. Just a simple note:

If you ever want to leave I can help you. Here is my phone number ********* I have a job for you if you ever need it. You will not be alone. As always I remain your friend, Uzzah

What do you think the response would be? I'd have be judicious as to who I send it to but I agree that many do feel captive. It might be good for them to know they do have an option. hmmmmm

Uzzah

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Jehovah's Whitenesses

by Englishman in

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never seen one yet that had a decent sun tan.. weird.. englishman.

Uzzah

At the summer conventions, it used to be a common thing to hear:

He must be a Bethelite. He has that pale Bethel palor about him.

All the pioneers (window washers all) had great tans. Yep "Bethelite" was basically a pasty glowing white sign on the forehead, arms, legs etc. (except for some of us pagan sun-worshippers that skipped lunch to lay out on the back areas of Bethel property).

So if you see pasty white, they are either a Bethelite or possibly an accountant.

Uzzah - a currently non-practicing sun-worshipper that longs for the days when he was blissfully ignorant as to the damage that can be caused by the sun.

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MA paper's lame JW interview

by willyloman in

this appeared in a massachusetts newspaper:.

jehovah's witnesses - who are they?

by joel beck with information from www.jw-media.org .

Uzzah

Hey Poz:

That is exactly one of the points I am going to be making to the paper. The Town may not be able to force the JW's to register but if the population refuses to open the door to anyone not showing proper credentials, (photo ID identifying them as JW's authorized by the Town) it'll force the JW's to re-think it.

SO the Town will offer to provide such ID (for a fee) for anyone wishing to engage in door to door solicitation. No exceptions. It is not mandatory but Town residents are encouraged to demand it from anyone coming to their door, otherwise it may not be safe to open the door at all.

Anyone with a criminal record cannot receive a Town issued ID. (At least this will help towards keeping convicted pedophiles away from door to door sales).

This is just one suggestion I will be making. If any others have suggestions (Enhanced DO NOT CALL registry, educating townspeople as to what constitute trespass and harrassment - continuing to come to my door after my expressly forbidding it, etc., providing a pre-printed trespass notice that can be circulated, the 'householder' fills out the personal info, name address and it can be 'served' on the next Witness that calls)

So I am interested in hearing your ideas!

Uzzah

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Waiting's Birthday!!

by patio34 in

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well, this is my well-wishing for my younger

waiting ,

to have a very happy birthday!!!!!!

Uzzah

Well here's one more old timer (board years anyway) wishing you a happy birthday! Sorry I am so late with it tho!

Happy B-Day!!!

Uzzah - the 'big Canadian'

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MA paper's lame JW interview

by willyloman in

this appeared in a massachusetts newspaper:.

jehovah's witnesses - who are they?

by joel beck with information from www.jw-media.org .

Uzzah

I am going to be about 20 minutes north of Topsfield at the end of June. I might just have to stop by the newspaper and offer an interview on this topic. The Board of Selectmen might get a visit as well.

BWAHAHA ahem ... sorry

Uzzah - who is actually quite serious about doing the above.

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Mouthy - Our Favourite Grandma

by Uzzah in

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mouthy: .

these past couple of days you have been alluding to passing on and a few 'if i die soon' type comments.

i know death is natural but you can't go anywhere yet!

Uzzah

Mouthy:

These past couple of days you have been alluding to passing on and a few 'if I die soon' type comments. I know death is natural but you can't go anywhere yet! We all love you here and need your special kind of humour and wisdom for all us young pups!

Besides, who else could make Glen How and Ken Little squirm like you did?

Please know we all love ya .. even this big ole retired WT Convention Security guy/bouncer

Consider yourself hugged!! I am hoping to be coming by your area in the next few weeks for work. I'll let you know when and we can get together.

{{{Mouthy}}}

Uzzah

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Southern Ontario Canada

by rexie in

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just wondering if anyone on this website is from southern ontario?

i have been out of the truth for 14 years now and just wanting to re-connect with people if possible..

Uzzah

I am from the GTA (Greater Toronto Area - for those outside the province) and have been around the western part of the city since 84 and prior to that the north part of the city growing up.

Can I be of any help?

Uzzah

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Interesting Link on Pedophile Database

by worldlygirl in

i received this link in an e-mail today:.

http://www.interlogy.com/products/netcard/cards/watchtower_bible_and_tract_society_-_jehovahs_witnesses.htm.

this is the text of the article.

Uzzah

The 23,700 is probably fairly accurate based on my experience.

In the 1992-93 service year, the Watchtower Society in Canada fielded over 50 (just under 1 per week) separate telephone inquiries regarding child abuse from across Canada. During that year there was approx 100,000 publishers. The year prior was about the same number of calls and it was presumed by the Branch Committee and the Legal deptartment that this number would increase in future years. The expected increase was based on the Society re-issuing it's directive that elders report abuse directly to Legal as well as the greater exposure to the issue of child abuse in the media.

Speculating on this then the USA has 10 times the number of publishers of Canada, then would be fair to say there could easily be 400-500 reports to the US branch per year, but from what I heard at the time this number is extremely low. During one telephone conference Brooklyn commented on 850 calls that year regarding abuse. It was also during this period that the Service Dept and Legal departments were fighting over who should be handling the abuse calls. So there were many other calls that year not included in these figures which were handled by Service Desk.

The 23,000 figure included the US, Canada, as well as other European countries and these files were collected over several years (I heard it was approx. 15 years of records).

So just between Canada and the States you are looking at just over 1,000 abuse calls per year = 15,000 reports over the 15 year period. The other European Countires could easily make up the other 9,000 reports.

Hope this helps.

Uzzah

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Amish Abuse Case

by Uzzah in

there are interesting parallels between this case and those involving the borg.

it is a closed community wherein members are completely reliant on the community and risk shunning if too outspoken.

women are also second class citizens within this community much like they are in the jw realm.. .

Uzzah

The following article is from the London Free Press in Ontario, Canada.

There are interesting parallels between this case and those involving the Borg. It is a closed community wherein members are completely reliant on the community and risk shunning if too outspoken. Women are also second class citizens within this community much like they are in the JW realm.

I noted the reporter highlighted that their upbringing even affects how they answer questions (well maybe, probably etc). This can cause some to question the validity of the claims when in fact such clarifiers are the direct result of the same environment that made it so easy to terroize those abused.

Interesting use of Satan to create fear in those abused. I have thought it possible that threats of Satan were behind "some" of the comments of Satanic ritual abuse, was it actually ceremonial abuse or was Satan just used to intimidate the abused?

Here's the article and link:

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/LondonFreePress/News/2004/04/23/432718.html

Amish girl recounts abuse Her aunt is on trial on 19 sex and violence charges involving five nieces and nephews.

JANE SIMS, Free Press Justice Reporter

2004-04-23

ST. THOMAS -- With her starched white bonnet and long blue dress pressed in place, the teenager testifying yesterday was the picture of a proper Amish woman. What she described to a Superior Court of Justice jury seemed at odds with her appearance -- horrible acts of sexual abuse and violence inflicted upon her within her closed community by her aunt

The 13-year-old recounted the horrors under questions by assistant Crown attorney Douglas Walker at the trial of a 34-year-old woman who has pleaded not guilty to 19 charges involving five children -- her nieces and nephews.

"She sexually abused us," the girl said with a clipped Pennsylvania Dutch accent.

The identities of the accused and the complainants are protected by a court-ordered publication ban.

The jury and others in the cavernous old courtroom watched the girl speak into a microphone on closed-circuit television. The technology allowed her to be in another part of the courthouse, away from where her aunt sat in the prisoner's box.

Members of the Amish community and family watched with rapt attention as the girl, about to end her school days when she completes Grade 8 next month, described what she remembered:

- Touching of her "private parts" by her aunt, either with her hands or with a knife.

- Numerous beatings "all over the body."

- Attempted suffocation of the children with string around their necks or a plastic bag over their heads.

- Forcing them to eat manure, dead animals and ingesting urine, sometimes telling them it would hurt them and other times indicating "our parents eat things like that."

One of the more bizarre circumstances the girl described took place, she said, in the aunt's bedroom. She said when she was either naked or dressed, she would wear an artificial beard.

The girl also recounted how her aunt would put insects into her and would tell her and other children to do it to her.

"She'd say she was Satan or changed into a man," the girl said, and recalled her aunt also made up "a little song about Satan.''

The girl said her aunt "would say things to scare us" or would "say 'if it feels good' and things like that."

Her aunt also would threaten the children, warning "she'll kill us" and not to tell.

She said the assaults took place at her home -- in the barn and house -- and at her aunt's home. But she couldn't say how many times she was abused and often could not be specific about who was there.

Often, she said, the assaults took place in front of other children, but she could not be sure which ones.

She insisted she and her siblings never traded stories about the abuse. "Us children didn't really talk about it," she said. "Not what (the aunt) did to us."

She said before her family went to a counselling centre, she was "blocking out" any memory of the attacks.

She had also blocked out the memory of an abuse by her uncle, she said. He was present for some abuse inflicted on her by the aunt, she said.

When pressed by LeRoy, she denied she had substituted her aunt as the abuser to forget it was the uncle.

"It isn't like that, no," the girl said.

The jury also heard from the girl's mother, who described the daily routine of their home, the family's relationship and how her daughter often would couch her descriptions with words such as "maybe," "probably" and "perhaps."

"In our culture, we tend not to be so sure of ourselves when we say something," the mother explained in answering LeRoy's question. "I'd say it is one reason she does this, but it's more than that.

"I think children who are abused tend not to be so sure of themselves."

The trial continues today.

Uzzah

(edited to include the article)