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  Message for "Outlaw"

  by gma-tired2 in

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  outlaw just had to let you know that you have often brightened my day by my reading your funny posts and your laughing dog.

  thank you gma-tired2.

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  1009

  Outlaw is a cynical figure that enjoys to belittle others.

  Sometimes it's funny indeed.

  But he also has offended me deeply.
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  Interview Dutch Witness family: Jehovah is above everything else. Even above our children!

  by Gorbatchov in

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  2. friends

  in a dutch (netherlands) nationwide daily newspaper, today an interview with a witness family was published.

  a perfect witness family.. only not so perfect: they say "jehovah is first for us and above everything else.

  even above our children".

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  1009

  I think I know you too 1009... are you originally from Harderwijk (I am not by the way).

  Nope.
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  Shunning for inactive ones?

  by frogonmytoe in

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  i visited my sister in a small town in the midst of the country, the town has a population of 3,000 and there's about 70 in the cong.

  anyway, there was a local needs talk a few months ago about associating with family members who didn't live under your roof and no longer went to meetings.

  one family of an elder dad and three sons (one an elder too, the others have stopped going) and a daughter (still going but married a 'worldly') are quite prominent and one half of a typical congregational feud.

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  An elder could be removed if the congregation helds him responsable for not educating his family well; 'if indeed any man does not know how to preside over his own household, how will he take care of God’s congregation?' (1 Tim. 3:5). But that does not account for removing his wife from pioneering. So I have the same idea as Blondie:

  As to the one living with his girlfriend but not baptized....again considered bad association. Removing an elder over it....only if the son were living at home with his girlfriend.

  Does one of the sons still at his parents home while living an 'inmoral' life?
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  Interview Dutch Witness family: Jehovah is above everything else. Even above our children!

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in a dutch (netherlands) nationwide daily newspaper, today an interview with a witness family was published.

  a perfect witness family.. only not so perfect: they say "jehovah is first for us and above everything else.

  even above our children".

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  @1009: Are you from the Netherlands also? A coincidence that you know him.

  Yup, from Amsterdam. Though his father was a friend, I never had any contact with Asher.
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  Interview Dutch Witness family: Jehovah is above everything else. Even above our children!

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in a dutch (netherlands) nationwide daily newspaper, today an interview with a witness family was published.

  a perfect witness family.. only not so perfect: they say "jehovah is first for us and above everything else.

  even above our children".

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  Oh my, I know this guy. His father, a great Bible student, was a very good friend of mine.

  Asher... talks often about the end time. Home, with Mireille. Not at his work, the IT department at KLM. "Last week a friend of ours died. When many of such sad things happen one after the other, we say: 'We are not so far away'." They smile.

  A friend dies. Conclusion: the end is so not far away ('they smile'). Great logic.
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  What Congregation should you attend?

  by Quarterback in

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  can someone, please, help me in finding this?.

  i remember in a kingdom ministry, written quite some time, ago.. it mentioned that it was upto the individual family to determine what congregation they would attend, based on their own circumstances.

  they wouldn't be subjected to determined boundaries.. does anyone remember that one, and where it exists?.

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  Translated from the Dutch version:

  *** km 2/11 page 7 Question box ***
  What advantages does it have to visit the congregration of the area in which we live ? Circumstances vary from person to person, and factors such as the worldly work, an unbelieving spouse and transport would affect ones final decision in this regard. However, it has obvious advantages, both spiritually and in other areas, if someone is connected to the congregation which belongs to the area in which he lives... We are confident that family heads will meditate prayerfully on the issue and will consider all the factors involved to determine what is best for the mental and physical well-being of their families. - 1 Tim. 5:8.

  *** Km 91/5 page 7 Question box ***
  While there may be some exceptions - because of transport problems, times of worldly work or the need for assistance - it is in general best to visit the congregation in the area where we live...
  By working humbly within the limits of the arrangements we will be demonstrating the Kingdom interests in the first place to be (Luke 16:10).

  So while it is clearly discouraged to visit another congregation, the km 2/11 clearly says that family heads should make a decision, based on their circumstances.

  Note that a personal preference will not be appreciated in general. In practice I've seen a lot of JW visiting other congregations without problems. Brothers will not get any 'privileges' though.

  [Edit: to slow].
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  The Truth about Eve...... is there more to the story, and has it been hidden by religion ?

  by *lost* in

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  2. bible

  i get the feeling that there is more to the eve story than we are aware of.. if we look at the patriachal religions, they are very 'anti-woman'.

  is this based on their corruption of the bible story.. .

  yes, i think there is more to the story of eve, and our the 'origins' than we think.. father god, mother goddess.. .

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  Most animal species are 'highly-patriarchal'.

  Are they too influenced by eastern cultures?
  I think it is just the nature of the specie.
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  Board of bitterness

  by 1009 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i always was a critical jw, now df and agnost.

  but still this religion fascinates me.

  in my eyes most jw are very sincere, but dumb sheep.. this board is filled with ex-jw.

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  rebel8But abstaining from blood, is not a medical advice. Incorrect.
  If you wish to educate yourself, read this article and verify the wt literature quotes.

  Their primary motivation is based on their understanding of the Bible.
  Meanwhile they evidently have misquoted medical literature to support their view.
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  Board of bitterness

  by 1009 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i always was a critical jw, now df and agnost.

  but still this religion fascinates me.

  in my eyes most jw are very sincere, but dumb sheep.. this board is filled with ex-jw.

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  freeflyingfaerie
  Maybe you are in a state of denial?
  
  There is no way of getting around going through a grieving after leaving the religion (if you were really 'in' for any length of time), and for some it involves more venting than for others, and in different ways... you cannot deny that the religion leaves a 'bitter' taste. Intensify the feeling for each loss..be it a loved one, sqaushed talent, etc etc. Each of these a blow. A kick in the gut. Come to us by living the best way we knew at the time. Our minds..our souls were messed with, for crying out loud
  
  There has to be anger somewhere in the healing, and sadness, and yes, bitterness... at least some..at least at some time..
  
  ...and this is coming from someone who wears rose-coloured glasses most days...

  Hi freeflyingfaerie,

  I do not have the idea I am in a state of denial. My experience is just different. Is that really so hard to accept?

  gbrn
  I really liked Simons comment about this being a great place to vent. Because of that it may not readily be apparent that someone has moved on more or less. Plus as others have pointed out, we are all at different stages in this process. Im still relatively new to leaving the religion, and it helps me tremendously to read comments of others. All of my family is IN and will have nothing to do with me since 3 years ago. I thought by just stopping and not getting DFd I could avoid being shunned. Boy was I wrong! And the few friends Ive made since Ive left really cant relate or dont have much interest in talking about a wacky religion. This forum can be great therapy when used appropriately and respectfully. Ive hesitated to take part in posting for quite some time due to the occasional petty arguments and passive aggressive insults toward other users (but thats unavoidable online), but after "lurking" (hate that term, it sounds so creepy) for awhile it seems to me the majority of users here are sincere and are in this together - for which I am very, very greatful for. Bring on the bitterness, haha!

  Hi gbrn,

  I agree on the 'venting' part: it is important that one has a place where he can vent his feelings. This board is a great place and I saw many interesting topics. I'll just ignore the 'petty arguments and passive aggresive insults'.

  You are not DF but got shun? That is not what is taught. But I have heard it before. It sucks.

  punkofnice
  My JW wife and daughter walked out on me after I was booted out of the corporation for 'apostacy(TM)'. I tried to fade but the elders hounded me. My loving family is now broken apart. My other 2 children have been on meds as a result of the break up that I didn't ask for. A break up that was fired by the watchtower's hatred of 'apostates(TM)'.
  
  Tell me....................how do I deal with this? Just laugh it off? Blank out the pain because sh1t happens according to you?
  
  Well? Come on I'm ready!!!

  Hi punkofnice,

  You're obviously hurt. Leaving an apostate spouse is not what is taught, at least not in the JW literature. You have any reason to be bitter. I do not know how to deal with such pain. And I am not the right person to give you any advice in that matter, because I walked out on my wife.

  But I will tell you what I think. First of all: you too have to move on living! Like you said you would do: "I'm moving on." But I also understand that it is an emotional rollercoaster. Now that you finally don't have the WT yoke, you must enjoy life where you can. Ofcourse you cannot laugh it off, but a sense of humor might help. Find empatic friends and vent your feelings, this board is a great place for that.

  Actually I think that you are well on your way. Maybe further than you realize. But it is all still pretty recent, and the wounds will take time to heal.
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  Board of bitterness

  by 1009 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i always was a critical jw, now df and agnost.

  but still this religion fascinates me.

  in my eyes most jw are very sincere, but dumb sheep.. this board is filled with ex-jw.

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  Knowsnothing
  Is it wrong to teach jihad? That if you blow yourself and others up for the cause of your religious movement, you will gain eternal life in heaven?

  OK, good point. I too believe it is wrong to murder another human being. So when is it wrong to teach a doctrine? Who is able to decide that?

  Side question: Is it wrong if a country sends its youngster into war for the cause of oil to defend the population? Why is that commonly considered honorable? And where does that differ from Jihad? They too believe that they are fighting for a higher cause. Here in Colombia we have an annual 'cleaning' where drug addicts and pedophiles are murdered. It's unlawfull, but tolerated. Is that wrong?