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  Panorama: outstanding!

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  i didn't see all of panorama, but what i did see was outstanding.

  in its depth and thoroughness, it surpassed what dateline had to offer.

  it really highlighted some key points: .

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  stewart

  Thanks Hilary and Simon for the welcome, the time here means bed beckons but I will be back (regretably that sounds a little Schwarzenegge'ish)

  Regards

  Stewart
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  Another spin on the "2 witnesses"

  by Lady Lee in

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  16 but if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

  ok you go once and try to talk to him and he doesn't listen.

  then you go back and "take with thee one or two more".

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  stewart

  It did make sense when I first read through your comments. Then I pulled off the shelf my NWT (the first time in 10 years since I bcame an ex JW!!) and there are two drawbacks..
  The NW translation use witnesses throughout and verse 17 refers to standing before judges as well (i.e. in addition to the witnesses.
  But on an up note I would think this can still be shot out of the water by ' rendering to Caeser what is due". And just about any 'Caeser' on this planet can reasonably expect not only that it would be reported but also as the Panroma show stated that JW's would talk to the police and elders would not interfere with police investigations!!!

  Saying the above, when you say
  

  One thing is often helpful in confronting anyone with their behavior is to do it with an audience - witneeses. It is the witnesses watching you discuss the problem that is the point here

  
  I think you have a point of common sense that can't be argued with.

  Another point I have just thought of is that verse 21 goes on about the punishment being soul for soul, eye or eye clearly indicating that this is a judicial process being set out / described. The elders (and they would have to accept this) have no poweres to enact this (i.e. if they did believe the accuser they can't castrate the abuser) therefore the whole thing is not applicable. If you follow my drift.

  Edited by - stewart on 14 July 2002 20:36:50
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  Panorama: outstanding!

  by comment in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i didn't see all of panorama, but what i did see was outstanding.

  in its depth and thoroughness, it surpassed what dateline had to offer.

  it really highlighted some key points: .

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  stewart

  I have been an ex JW now for about 10 years, and have pretty much 'put it behind me' (aka repression I guess). Panaroma brought it all back, the frustation at wasted years, a bit of anger etc. The program was excellent and coming from a congregation, Haslingden in Lancashire UK that went through one of these 'episodes' I have rarely felt so emotional.
  It led me to look up this forum and I guess you'll be hearing from me now I have awoken from my daze.
  The spookiest thing now looking back is that going to the Police was such an issue, it is amazing how you can become so conditioned.